Talk:sig

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Modern English[edit]

Anent the entry for "sig" as victory from OE "sige". Actually it made it into early ME as sige but I see no use of it as "sig" (without the 'e'). Do you have any support for this spelling of it? Any quotes? Thanks --AnWulf ... Ferþu Hal! 18:22, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Never mind ... After a swinkful search, I found one. --AnWulf ... Ferþu Hal! 22:49, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Modern English sig cannot have developped organically from Old English siġe (which has a soft g, pronounced like Modern English y), it must be a borrowing. Otherwise it should have become sie. Compare (a) lie, from Old English lyġe. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 17:52, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't think it's fair to say this word exists in today's English[edit]

It's not in OED or any other source, Googling "A great sig over the enemy" yields nothing, and the three quotes given are really dubious----the first one is from a Neo-Pagan website (you might as well have quoted from "Uncleftish Beholding" or even Anglish Moot! Won't I like to see the word "waterstuff" or "Foroned Folkdom" get wiktionary entries), in the second one the word is clearly used as a proposed Modern English equivalent of OE "sige", and in the third one the word appears as the name of some item... Whoever wrote this entry might have been inspired by Germans and Icelanders and were trying to bring lost OE words back to life 202.171.163.7 15:16, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

You could use {{rfv-sense}}. I don't know, the citations do seem a bit modern, but maybe it's archaic, but real? Mglovesfun (talk) 15:23, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Invalid citations[edit]

These two citations (along with a non-durable web citation) were being used to support the "victory" sense, but are invalid:

this one seems to be using the Old English word, or proposing (not using) a modern English word:
  • 2005, Diana L. Paxson, “XVIIII”, in Taking Up The Runes[1], ISBN 9781578633258, page 172:
    The Anglo-Saxon journey charm adapted for the ritual invokes "sig" power for every aspect of existence. / It is unfortunate that all the words surviving in English that could be used to translate sig have Latin roots, for it would seem that in the original languages, sig may have had connotations that are not present in words like "triumph" and "victory."
this one is using "Sig" (note also the capital letter) as the proper name of the rune, not a word meaning "victory":
  • 2011, S. Watts Taylor, Tarnish[2] (Fiction / Mystery), iUniverse, ISBN 9781462002023, page 54:
    "What is a Sig rune?" I asked, but I got no response from Brown.
- -sche (discuss) 20:45, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

RFV discussion: February–March 2015[edit]

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RFV of etymology 2, the noun meaning "victory". The sense had three citations, but one was from a website, one (moved to the talk page) seems to be of the Old English word, mentioned in quotation marks, and the third is of "Sig rune" as a proper name of this rune. (Diana Paxson uses "sig" in compounds a lot, e.g. "word-sig", "work-sig", "sig-galdor", "sig-rod", but it's not clear to me that it means "victory" rather than the rune in these compounds.) Incidentally, that sense — sig as one of the names of the 's' rune — is probably citable in both uppercase and lowercase, as are most of the rune names (ansuz, etc), though we don't currently have entries for them that I've found. - -sche (discuss) 20:57, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

RFV-failed. - -sche (discuss) 22:05, 27 March 2015 (UTC)