Determiner, ugh. But this, in having a plural form, also nouns itself with the possessive.
That belongs to this. Those belong to these. This is that's. This' that's. Those's are thoses' is possible but is unnatural in my all-R-pronouncing English. Possessive Demonstrative Pronouns. They are not determiners, sportfans. --Allamakee Democrat 03:38, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I don't completely understand what you're trying to say; but it looks like maybe you didn't notice that we have both a "Determiner" section and a "Pronoun" section? (My apologies if you did notice; "nouns itself" isn't a term I'm familiar with, and your comment is littered with sentence fragments I can't decipher, such as "Possessive Demonstrative Pronouns", and pronouns whose antecedents I can't identify, such as in "They are not determiners, sportfans", so I just made a guess at what you might be saying.) —RuakhTALK 16:58, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
- Well, I agree with the ugh. According to the page it is possible to use this as a 'determiner' (whatever that is) for one woman:
- I see this woman.
However as the so-called 'determiner' does not have a plural you cannot do it for two:
- I see
is apparently no longer good English, because somebody has decided to abolish the adjectival demonstrative pronoun these. It now only occurs as a substantive:
- I see these.
And of course that is utter,utter nonsense Jcwf 17:09, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
But then, that is what happens when people try to reinvent wheels a lot: they often do turn out square, don't they? Jcwf 17:15, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
- Fixed, thanks. :-) (But I should mention that you seem to have been misinterpreting the entry. It never claimed that adjective-like this lacked a plural.) —RuakhTALK 17:57, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
But what is the possesive of "this"? That is what would "this'" be considered in proper grrammar?
I've seen a few places online (okay, in geek forums, e.g. , ) where "This." is used as a complete sentence, usually to express fundamental agreement with a previous comment. Would this qualify as a separate usage, and if so, what is it? I suppose it's more or less short for "This is correct." or "I agree with this." but in a very emphatic way. Interplanet Janet 08:35, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Linguists have observed a construct in Multicultural London English that looks like "this is me" (or some other pronoun or referent): it is used for reported speech, as if doing an impression of the person. "This is my mum: where've you been all night?" Not sure whether we can get that into Wiktionary at all. Equinox ◑ 01:46, 1 April 2016 (UTC)