Talk:znawstwo
Latest comment: 5 years ago by Per utramque cavernam
(Notifying Hergilei, Tweenk, Shumkichi, Wrzodek, Asank neo): Hello. Does znawstwo exist as a freestanding word, or is it only used as a suffix? Per utramque cavernam 13:47, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Per utramque cavernam Yes, it is a word, noted by znawstwo in Polish dictionaries at PWN and present numerously in Google Books. Wrzodek (talk) 21:35, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Wrzodek: Thanks! It obviously comes from znać ultimately, but I wonder what the exact derivation is in this word and znawca. The -w- in both words puzzles me. Wait, is there an archaic verb znawać? Per utramque cavernam 21:53, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
- This book seems to answer exactly my question: "Rzeczowniki znawca i znawstwo (tej formy ostatniej nie ma u Lindego) zawdzięczają swoje powstanie działaniu analogii: nie ma czasownika znawać którego temat, formalnie biorąc, stanowi podstawę obu tych wyrazów". I don't read Polish though. Per utramque cavernam 21:57, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Per utramque cavernam I'll make an attempt at translating this excerpt and what is further down (made possible by typing "połączeniach z" into the search bar). "The nouns znawca and znawstwo (of which the latter is not [noted] in Linde's [dictionary]) owe their creation to an analogy in effect: the verb znawać, whose stem, taken formally, constitutes the basis of both these words – doesn't exist. One can only say poznawać, doznawać – meaning that the stem form znawać is only alive in conjunction with prefixes. Maybe in connection is the fact that the word znawstwo is, as I've mentioned earlier, more alive in compounds than in stand-alone use." Then I discovered a few links, this would imply that znawać existed in Old Polish (so no later than year 1500), an entry in Linde's dictionary (1814) (mentioned in the above excerpt) with a „*“ denoting reconstructions, and at last this book from 1864. Wrzodek (talk) 15:24, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Wrzodek: Thanks a lot for this! I've made some changes to the entry (I've moved the page from -znawstwo to znawstwo, among other things), do they look good? Per utramque cavernam 23:16, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Per utramque cavernam I'll make an attempt at translating this excerpt and what is further down (made possible by typing "połączeniach z" into the search bar). "The nouns znawca and znawstwo (of which the latter is not [noted] in Linde's [dictionary]) owe their creation to an analogy in effect: the verb znawać, whose stem, taken formally, constitutes the basis of both these words – doesn't exist. One can only say poznawać, doznawać – meaning that the stem form znawać is only alive in conjunction with prefixes. Maybe in connection is the fact that the word znawstwo is, as I've mentioned earlier, more alive in compounds than in stand-alone use." Then I discovered a few links, this would imply that znawać existed in Old Polish (so no later than year 1500), an entry in Linde's dictionary (1814) (mentioned in the above excerpt) with a „*“ denoting reconstructions, and at last this book from 1864. Wrzodek (talk) 15:24, 18 February 2019 (UTC)