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borrowing → bor

Wiktionary:Votes/2016-07/borrowing, borrowed, loan, loanword → bor passed. Would you like to use MewBot to edit all entries per the proposal? If you don't want to do it, let me know and I'll post a request in the BP. Thank you!

--Daniel Carrero (talk)00:22, 31 August 2016

I don't think it's right to do it given the strong opposition.

CodeCat00:34, 31 August 2016

I don't understand exactly what you mean. A formal vote passed with a result of 14-5-3 (73.68%-26.32%), so I believe we simply can go ahead and do it. Do you see any problem with that?

--Daniel Carrero (talk)00:54, 31 August 2016

I'm a bit uncomfortable with how we're officially "canonicalising" the shortcut forms the way we did with {{lb}}. The shortcuts are redirects to longer forms. If we're not going to allow the longer forms, why even have them? I think we should just leave shortcuts as shortcuts and long forms as long forms. That's why, when the time came to orphan {{context}}, I renamed them accordingly: long to long, short to short.

CodeCat13:02, 31 August 2016
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Last edit: 16:03, 1 September 2016

When the {{label}}{{lb}} vote passed, I posted a request in the BP and you volunteered to do the change, that's why I came here directly to you to see if you would like to convert the {{borrowing}}{{bor}}. I disagree with your idea of leaving shortcuts as shortcuts and long forms and long forms, but feel free to decline my request, I'm OK with it and I intend to post a request in the BP later. (I should learn how to run a bot by myself!)

Re: "The shortcuts are redirects to longer forms. If we're not going to allow the longer forms, why even have them?" Allow me to try and give a rather long answer.

I don't know, I suppose having both redirects and longer forms was your idea? I don't exactly care about having "short template name" -> "long template name" redirects as long as people can agree on using only the short forms in entries. I mean, I believe you decided exactly all these redirect names, but I didn't check one by one: {{m}}, {{l}}, {{ux}}, {{der}}, {{bor}}, {{inh}}.

WhatLinksHere for {{inherited}} in the main namespace = 35,082 entries. WhatLinksHere for {{inh}} in the main namespace = 34,922 entries. {{inh}} redirects to {{inherited}}, so it follows that at least 160 entries use the longer form (0.45% of all entries). The difference between {{inh}} and {{bor}} is that {{inh}}/{{inherited}} were created together and mostly nobody is using the longer form; and {{borrowing}} existed for 5 years before the {{bor}} was introduced, so we used what we had, but {{bor}} became popular quickly,as evidenced by the approximately 40% 66.6% of entries using {{bor}} rather than {{borrowing}} (the actual entry count is in the borrowing → bor vote) and the fact that the vote passed.

Still, as I said you don't have to do anything. I was not trying to convince you to change your mind, I just said what are my thoughts about the points you mentioned.

--Daniel Carrero (talk)17:13, 31 August 2016