User talk:81.19.115.130

WT:CFI

"As an international dictionary, Wiktionary is intended to include “all words in all languages”." If you don't like it, don't edit here. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:12, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Finnish language has _many_ _hundreds_ of different forms - idea of putting them all to dictionary is quite funny. "All words" also in Finnish is ok, but not all possible forms! --81.19.115.130 21:15, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

What part of 'don't edit here' did you not understand? Mglovesfun (talk) 21:24, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Is there any rule for this? Why to try to put huge mount of word _forms_, the idea in Wiktinary is to put words and relations to other words (in same and other languages)?

Do you understand situation in Finnish language - forms are available nearly endlessly due to features of that language? --81.19.115.130 21:30, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

"As an international dictionary, Wiktionary is intended to include “all words in all languages”." What more can I say, if you cannot understand this, do not edit her (including your talk page). Mglovesfun (talk) 21:38, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, we are talking now about huge mount of _word_ _forms_ in Finnish language, not _words_. How do we handle them? --81.19.115.130 21:41, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Please, discuss question - in Finnish wiktionary this has been discussed carefully and all possible forms are not allowed (bacause of huge amount of them). --81.19.115.130 21:48, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Wiktionary:CFI#Inflections. These are valid here. Finnish Wiktionary is free to make its own decisions, but we are not bound by the Finnish Wiktionary's decisions. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:52, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

I am one of Finnish wiktionary admins and of cource Finnish wiktionary does not make decisions here. But maybe native Finnish know better situation in Finnish language. In that upper link I did not find any details about language specialities like Finnish with many hundreds of word forms: could you, please, point them if you know about them? How do we limit them - trying to get them all in will affect only huge mesh in future. We should limit them somehow by taking only in some meaning mostly used forms. Please, discuss questions and not only block users. --Aulis Eskola 22:02, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't see how it can cause problems. If you don't want to know what a word means, simply do not look it up. Mglovesfun (talk) 22:05, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

In Finnish wiktionary problems were arising in working process. Working and trying to update information with all possible forms of all words in Finnish is so huge, that collecting information of Finnish language slows down markably. Despite of data and processing capacities in wiktionary servers this is a human working problem: we should limit work and focuse to main work (basic form words of this complicated language).

Have you nowadays some automation connected to this problem of many many forms of Finnish words? It could solve the problem, some part of work with all possible word forms can in principle be processed automatically but I don't know all processing possibilities in Wiktionary. --Aulis Eskola 22:16, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't think it works like that. You can't force editors to make certain edits. Tell them thy'll get blocked if they create Finnish form of entries, or speedily deleting such entries won't make them edit other things. Essentially you're saying that Finnish form-of entries are valid on the Finnish Wiktionary, but you exclude them anyway. Oh good. Mglovesfun (talk) 22:24, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Idea is not to force and block, but instructions and discussion works in smaller community like Finnish wiktionary - I don't know if it works here. (May be it doesn't work here, see what has happened earlier in this chain :() --Aulis Eskola 22:32, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

If this Finnish language detail is not discussed through carefully it shoud be talked about. Is suitable place Wiktionary talk:Criteria for inclusion or Wiktionary:Tea room or some other place? --Aulis Eskola 22:27, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

I agree with this user. With the various suffixes in the agglutinative Finnish language, the number of forms for a noun reaches 2253 and the number of possible verb forms is probably tens or hundreds of thousands. Whether they are worth including is I think discussable. 60.240.101.246 22:34, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

OK, numbers upper in discussion were smaller than in real grammatics of that complicated Finnish language! --Aulis Eskola 22:37, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Another issue is we have 20280 entries in Category:Finnish noun forms. Do you intend that we delete all 20280. If so, how? Since they're valid anyway, why not just keep 'em? Mglovesfun (talk) 08:08, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

As told earlier, main point is to make instructions how to develop wiktionary - not how to block and delete. --Aulis Eskola 19:33, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Blocked

User is now blocked because of difficulties to discuss with User:Mglovesfun about "nonsense". --Aulis Eskola 22:42, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Previous discussion of this issue

For what it's worth, the question of including Finnish word forms was previously discussed in the Beer Parlour in February of 2010. The consensus was: include inflected forms, but not forms+clitics. - -sche (discuss) 08:35, 26 October 2011 (UTC)