User talk:HalloJamie

Simply removing an etymology because you disagree is unwise. For colorize, confer some of the discussions regarding color/colour. The qualifications expressed in that etymology were perfectly valid. Your edit summary seems to indicate that you perhaps didn't read what you were removing? --Connel MacKenzie 19:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I meant well by deleting the section which contains some incorrect information. The etymlogy says that colorize came about in part due to a spelling reform that changed -ise to -ize -- this is a popular misconception in the UK (and possibly in other countries) when in fact -ize is the older (and more etymologically correct) spelling. Perhaps just part of the etymology section should be deleted, but the remaining section would be fairly pointless. HalloJamie 18:20, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

That conflicts directly with what User:Paul G said on the topic this year, last year and the year before. Please note that there is no pairing of terms that is as much of a flash-point, between US and UK spellings, as color/colour and their derivatives. The etymology that is there got that way from hammering it out to "everyone's mutual dissatisfaction" but removing any part of it is not beneficial. Especially without addressing whatever concern it was, that got that line/sentence added in the first place.

From my American perspective, I thought the spelling reform was from Noah Webster, changing the "British" '-ise' to the American '-ize.' That of course, followed the more significant spelling reform of changing "ou" to "o." I don't understand how the UK views those spelling reforms. This is always an intriguing topic - so additional references are always appreciated. The statement that one or the other is "more etymologically correct" is impossible to accept without references. --Connel MacKenzie 18:34, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Regional tags again

If you blatantly remove regional tags again you will be blocked.

The tags currently are overloaded to indicate various features: origin, spellings, or use. Where a term is peculiar to the US, the distinction is whether it is the US or the UK spelling. You can add a usage note explaining anything more specific, but simply removing tags willy-nilly is not acceptable.

--Connel MacKenzie 15:48, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

As stated in the edit summaries, all the incorrect (US) tags that I have removed are from words that are not American spellings - they are acceptable in both British and Amercan English. Most dictionaries of British English, including the Concise Oxford English Dictionary, Collins Dictionary and Penguin Dictionary all prefer '-ize' to '-ise' (that is, they list -ize first, and usually -ise as an acceptable variant - for more explanation see [1] and [2]). The incorrectly placed tags help spread misinformation and make Wiktionary appear amateurish and untrustworthy, and thus should be removed. HalloJamie 18:59, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Removing those tags is absurd. This is not en-uk.wiktionary.org. In the US, the -ize spellings are the only acceptable spellings; -ise spellings (with very few exceptions) are particular to the UK or Commonwealth. Please re-read the two links you gave above - they support that notion without any doubt at all. --Connel MacKenzie 19:06, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

The (US) tag added suggest that the '-ize' spelling is exclusively American, which is not the case (as the above links have shown). Perhaps for spellings that are acceptable in both British and American English, a different tag could be used - maybe (US & UK) - or no tag at all should be used, suggesting (correctly) that the spelling may be used in any English-speaking country. For spellings that are exclusively British (and/or Commonwealth), the tag (UK) is used, so that people are aware that a certain spelling is incorrect in American English. To illustrate the point, on the page polarise, as an alternative spelling it lists polarize (US), when in fact that spelling is preferred by most British dictionaries (surely the (US) tag is wrongly telling people it is an American spelling?). So as not to mislead American readers, on the page polarize, it rightly lists the alternative spelling polarise (UK), so as they know that that particular spelling is acceptable only in British English, and therefore incorrect in American English. If you wish to retain the incorrectly-placed (US) tags (some of which I have attempted to change), I can't stop you, but you must see that they are misleading to people? HalloJamie 19:34, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

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