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Portuguese conjugation module[edit]

Hi Jberkel. If you plan on creating the module, feel free to use the data from previous attempt ([1], [2]). — Ungoliant (falai) 17:47, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

It's in progress: User:Jberkel/pt-conj-test. I'm getting confused with these talk pages. Where are you supposed to reply ? Jberkel (talk) 03:32, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Wait! The first-person plural imperative exists! — Ungoliant (falai) 14:24, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
oops. i'll add it back Jberkel (talk) 14:41, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Conjugation Table for Volapük Verbs[edit]

Hi, I wonder if you're able to import this conjugation table for Volapük verbs and even modify it, at least on a visual scale. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 16:46, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

It shouldn't be too difficult, would need to write a regular expression to handle it, if i understand it correctly it's in the form {{link preto|pi{{{1}}}ob|vo}}, so you would need to extract pi+(stem?)+ob+vo (suffix?) Jberkel (talk) 12:10, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
I think that "link preto" is a Portuguese template. Besides, the possible template {{vo-conj}} could be written in Lua through a module. I also think {{vo-decl-noun}} should be converted to Lua. Don't worry, don't hurry, perhaps? --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 12:43, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't the Volapük edition of Wiktionary be the best source for grammar templates / modules ? Jberkel (talk) 13:52, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
The conjugation table for Volapük verbs at the Volapük edition only shows eleven verb forms. You can have a look at binön there for a comparison between that and its counterpart entry at the Portuguese edition. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 14:54, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
I ♥ Wiktionary Jberkel (talk) 22:49, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


There is already Module:UnitTests. Please do not copy modules from Wikipedia as they go. Keφr 14:11, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

I started off with Module:UnitTests but found it quite limiting and it looks like it's been cobbled together in 5 minutes. Module:ScribuntoUnit is better written and documented. And If we want to get more people to write unit tests we need better tools. The XUnit approach and assert method naming in ScribuntoUnit is pretty much standard (assertEquals(...) vs. equals(...)). And there isn't even the most basic assertTrue in Module:UnitTests, or at least I couldn't find it. – Jberkel (talk) 14:45, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
self:equals("description", not not (condition), true) — though personally, I think if you need to test boolean conditions, your test is badly designed in the first place. I understand and care nothing about the XUnit talk. For all I can see, Module:ScribuntoUnit is the same thing as Module:UnitTests but with differently named methods. Keφr 15:42, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Well that's certainly not the most readable assertion. assertTrue just happens to be the most basic building block to create tests (e.g. assertTrue(x > 10)), so I don't agree with your point about bad design. Module:UnitTests is messy and has badly named methods. And method names do matter, they increase the readability and help to express the intent of the test. preprocess_equals_preprocess_many(prefix1, suffix1, prefix2, suffix2, cases, options) just doesn't mean anything and is bad API design. I also like that Module:ScribuntoUnit already has some useful built-in assertions so they don't have to be reimplemented in every test. I don't see the problem of using different test frameworks, having tests should be the first priority, not which lib they use. – Jberkel (talk) 19:09, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
When you have a failing test case, you probably want to know how it fails: how the output differs from what was expected. If all you pass to the testing framework is a single boolean value, you cannot get that. Discouraging that is a feature.
As I see, nobody is using preprocess_equals_preprocess_many (or preprocess_equals_many for that matter) anyway, it can be just removed. Keφr 18:27, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
You're right, it's good to know why tests fail, and that's why the whole group of assertXXX() methods are so useful. To follow the example, you could have a assertGreater(x, 10) which would automatically fail with "expected X to be greater than 10". Alternatively you can pass a message to assertTrue() which will get printed when the test fails: assertTrue(x > 10, "x should be greater than 10"). Or another option, use one assertion per test and name the test so that it is immediately clear what failed: function testXShouldBeGreaterThan10() assertTrue(x > 10) endJberkel (talk) 15:13, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Consolidation of alternative forms[edit]

The polite thing to do is to leave the original entry as the lemma and the later entries as alternative forms. — Ungoliant (falai) 02:10, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, was wondering about this when I did the edit, thanks for letting me know, guess I should have asked first. But now I understand why there are so many entries with mixed spellings cross-referencing each other. Jberkel (talk) 02:18, 10 March 2015 (UTC)


Where did you find the alternative form bemdisposto? I’m not sure it exists. — Ungoliant (falai) 14:45, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

To be honest, I don't remember, it's probably non-existent, can't find anything. I probably assumed a wrong analogy from maldisposto. Removed. – Jberkel (talk) 15:16, 9 October 2015 (UTC)


You have recently tagged a few Spanish words, such as velociraptores, and said they do not exist. This is patently untrue; you can look at google books:"los velociraptores" and see that such words do exist. The policy I've linked to above explains how we determine what content is appropriate for Wiktionary. Please do not tag any more such entries unless they actually are in contravention of what we allow. Thank you —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 21:57, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I tagged them because the plural form linked to a entry which did not exist, so it looked like a bot created these without verification. I see that the singular form now got created. So if not RFV, what's the right tag for these kind of cases? Cleanup? Jberkel (talk) 22:39, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
There is no tag; if the singular form doesn't exist, you should create it. (Also, even if a bot creates something, you shouldn't assume it is in error, and you can easily see that it wasn't a bot, but a person, that made these entries.) —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:15, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
How can you easily see it was a person, and not a script? Maybe not a bot, but it could have been semi-automated. The user who created these entries is currently blocked (because of disruptive edits). Just speculating here, but a script would create the plural form and then fail (or just skip) the creation of the main entry since it already exists (for another language). A "human" would very likely create the main form first, and then the plurals. Anyway that's all speculation, but maybe it will help you understand why I was suspicious in the first place. – Jberkel (talk) 01:38, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
OK, it makes sense that you wouldn't know Wonderfool or how he made the entry. But the point was that no matter who makes an entry, we judge it by the CFI, as linked to above, and not by whether anyone thinks it's real or how it was made. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 05:50, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

You've got mail[edit]

You've got mail. Cheers! --Daniel Carrero (talk) 22:07, 3 November 2015 (UTC)


"You smell" is too short. I wanted to show longer example.

Tbeyor (talk) 23:12, 7 December 2015 (UTC)Tbeyor

First of all, examples should be short. Your contribution is ungrammatical and inappropriate. The sense your are describing is negative ("to stink"), so "like" does not fit well in the same sentence. Jberkel (talk) 23:32, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, man[edit]

I make gramatical errors because English is not my native language. I don't want the examples to be too short but I won't be arguing with you anymore.

Tbeyor (talk) 17:53, 26 December 2015 (UTC)Tbeyor

Just saw your message about WingerBot source[edit]

Sorry, I've been using a different account recently. I made the link private for various reasons but I can share the source code with you if you want. Benwing2 (talk) 21:35, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

@Benwing2 No worries, I'd still like to get the source if possible, thanks! Jberkel (talk) 10:41, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
It's a bit of a mess now but I'll collect things together tomorrow. Ping me in about 3 days if you don't hear back by then. Benwing2 (talk) 11:39, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
ping @Benwing2Jberkel (talk) 11:34, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi. I temporarily made the source for WingerBot public. There are actually three repositories now:
  • [3] has the original WingerBot code (mostly Arabic, some Russian code and some general tools such as for regex-based search/replace)
  • [4] has most of the Russian code
  • [5] has some additional Russian code, e.g. for auto-adding pronunciations
Not sure how long I will leave them public, so you might want to clone them now. Benwing2 (talk) 08:30, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
BTW there is a whole lot of code. If you are interested in writing your own code, check out some of the shorter scripts in RuNounChanges, and check out (a heavily modified version of code originally from CodeCat) and (general Russian utility functions). If you have any questions about what the scripts do, feel free to ask. Benwing2 (talk) 08:33, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
@Benwing2 thanks, that's very helpful as a starting point, all cloned now. About the lua code in the repos, is this for reference or does the bot actually use it as well? If not, do you port code over from lua to python? – Jberkel (talk) 13:44, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
The Lua code is just older versions of the various modules that I've written, not used by the bots. I've ported some Lua code to Python, e.g. is partly a port of Module:ru-common. I also ported all of Module:ar-translit for use in my bot script that harmonizes Arabic with its transliteration (transferring short vowel info from the transliteration to the Arabic script) and similarly for Module:ru-translit and Module:grc-translit. In many cases I actually have the bot call the Lua code using blib.expand_text(), which uses pywikibot's site.expand_text() call to expand template text. For example, when generating Russian non-lemma forms, I call {{ru-generate-noun-args}} and {{ru-generate-verb-forms}}, which generate all the inflections for a given noun or verb. Benwing2 (talk) 16:59, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
@Benwing2 Ah ok. Do you know of any bots written in lua? I think using one single language makes more sense, and we would not have to port code between lua and python. – Jberkel (talk) 14:58, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
I don't. The thing is, pywikibot makes life easy writing in Python, and I don't think there's any Lua equivalent. I imagine it would be a lot more work. What kind of things do you have in mind to create a bot for? Benwing2 (talk) 15:50, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Correct, it would be a lot more work, but it would make it easier for other editors who already know lua to contribute. Right now I'd like to create a bot for some things I'm doing manually, like replacing plain links with templates, and also to help out with WT:TASK. Jberkel (talk) 12:27, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Well, a lot more people know Python than Lua ... I had to learn Lua specifically for Wiktionary. Python and Javascript are the two most common scripting languages. If you want to get started by modifying my code, check out something like in RuNounChanges; this is a short script that converts head= parameters in {{ru-phrase}} invocations to use param 1= instead. It should be pretty easy to follow what's going on here (it uses pywikibot to handle loading and saving pages, and mwparserfromhell to handle parsing and changing templates; you have to install both of these packages first). I also have a script to specifically replace plain links with template calls (, but it's somewhat longer and more involved than, because it tries to do various clever things (e.g. infer the correct language for the link, and automatically convert a parenthesized transliteration to a tr= argument, but only if it's sufficiently similar to the automatic transliteration of the term, so that it doesn't convert other random parenthesized notes into tr= arguments). You can write a much simpler script to do this if you have it confirm each change first. Benwing2 (talk) 18:34, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Moving lists to Wikisaurus[edit]

I don't believe there is consensus for moving lists of synonyms out of mainspace to Wikisaurus. Hence my revert. I saw multiple people express dissatisfaction with syn lists being in Wikisaurus rather than in the mainspace which is why I never remove synonym lists from the mainspace. --Dan Polansky (talk) 14:35, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

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A tremendous time![edit]

Bonjour, English follow J’ai le plaisir de t’annoncer la création officielle du groupe de contributeurs pour le Wiktionnaire ! Tu avais manifesté ton intérêt pour faire partie de cette grande aventure et la voilà lancée ! Youpi !

le Fantastique groupe du Wiktionnaire

N’hésite pas à participer si tu as des idées de logo, des envies de traductions supplémentaires, que tu penses à des gens à prévenir ou des endroits où annoncer la bonne nouvelle ! Il reste encore beaucoup à faire, seules les pages principales sont là ! Dans les prochains jours je mettrai en valeur le matériel déjà écrit en français : bilan 2015, liste des compétences, brouillon d’affiche et irai faire le tour des communautés pour prévenir ! Toute aide bienvenue !

I am glad to announce the official creation of the user group for Wiktionaries! You mentioned a polite interests for this great adventure and so, here it is!

the Wiktionary Tremendous Group

You're welcome to participate to draw a logo, translate in Portuguese or German, contact people or mention places where the announce have to be made. There is still a lot to do, only main pages are there. Soon, I will translate some cool stuff we made in French: annual analysis, skills list, banner. I also plan to visit every community so help welcome! Noé (talk) 00:00, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Wiktionnaire:Actualités, numéro 16, juillet 2016[edit]

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Misspellings (criterior) should not be in lemma categories- use {{head|en|misspelling}} instead of {{head|en|noun}} . DTLHS (talk) 15:42, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

thanks for letting me know, changed it. – Jberkel (talk) 18:17, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

"headword cleanup using AWB"[edit]

I hope this edit is a fluke. Please check. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 13:13, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

@Chuck Entz Looks like you were faster, but thanks for the notification. I'm done with the cleanup now (there're still lots of wrong abbreviations but I'll leave that for another time). I'll go through the list of changes again to make sure there aren't any other broken entries. – Jberkel (talk) 17:33, 22 August 2016 (UTC)


I just noticed that you've dealt with the tickets that just came in. I only became an agent because nobody else was dealing with the backlog of tickets in the Wiktionary queue, but I would prefer not to have another responsibility on my plate. Are you intending to be continually active on OTRS? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 16:17, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes! At least right now the number of incoming tickets is easily doable by one person. – Jberkel (talk) 16:55, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
Great. Leave me a message if you're ever planning to abandon it for more than a couple weeks, and I'll cover for you. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 02:45, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

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Template defdate[edit]

You can use the template {{defdate}} for a slightly more polished appearance of the section, that tells the etymology. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 00:46, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Ah thanks, didn't know. I've also seen {{C.}} used. – Jberkel (talk) 00:49, 5 September 2016 (UTC)


Salut !

J'espère que tout va bien pour toi ! Nous avons activé le module de traduction pour les Actualités et j'ai commencé à traduire le dernier numéro en anglais :) ça prend pas mal de temps donc je pense que la date de publication de la version traduite sera autour du 15 du mois, et nous verrons s'il y a assez d'aide pour que ça soit plus tôt les prochains mois. Sinon, je me souviens avoir lu un message de toi quelque part après la WikiCon, mais je ne retrouve plus où...m'avais-tu envoyé un courriel ou un mp quelque part ? Noé (talk) 14:34, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

@Noé Salut! Si, J'avais envoyé un courriel (au 24 août).. justement pour demander si je peux aider avec les traductions :) Je peux le renvoyer.. – Jberkel (talk) 15:13, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Wiktionnaire:Actualités, numéro 18, septembre 2016[edit]

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An IP added a rfc for this entry. I'm not sure how substantivised adjectives should be entered according to the conventions for German, but if the masculine should go to Eisheiliger, the feminine form can stay at the current entry. Could you look into the rfc? (Also, is /aɪ̯shaɪ̯lɪɡə/ the correct IPA transcription?) Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 15:31, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

I checked, it's actually somewhat complicated. There are 4 different saints for 4 different days (3 male + 1 female). So "die Eisheiligen" can refer to all of them, or possibly just the male saints. "die Eisheilige" unambiguously refers just to the female saint. "der Eisheilige" could refer to any of the 3 male saints. So yes, we do need an entry for Eisheiliger + an entry for (die) Eisheiligen (weak declination + article). Duden currently only lists the latter (although the singular clearly exists). I'm not an IPA expert but the transcription looks correct. – Jberkel (talk) 23:20, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
Okay, I've put an identical plural meaning at both Eisheiliger and Eisheilige for now, and added individual meanings as well. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 11:10, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Could it be that Eisheilige also has some idiomatic meaning similar to ice queen? Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 14:11, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

@Lingo Bingo Dingo Not that I know of. – Jberkel (talk) 13:45, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

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Placenames that don't take an article[edit]

You may want to create a templatised usage note for that, since very many placenames fall under this category (most names of cities, for example). — Ungoliant (falai) 12:52, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

I think that's too broad – the usage notes should only mention exceptions to general rules (i.e. cities which take the article, like Porto, or countries which don't take an article). It might still make sense to create a template to avoid copy&paste though, even if it is just for a few entries. Jberkel (talk) 13:52, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
Something I've considerde doing is adding this information to the headword-line template, so that the HWL of an entry like Portugal would says "Portugal (m, doesn't take an article)", possibly with a link to some appendix. What do you think? — Ungoliant (falai) 15:42, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
Don't think that's worth the trouble, given that there aren't that many entries which need it. It will also make the HWL template more complex. The appendix might actually be a better place for this kind of information but I suspect it will very likely get ignored there. – Jberkel (talk) 23:57, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

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Désolé, nous avons oublié de te laisser un message le mois dernier ! J'espère que tout va bien pour toi ! Face-smile.svg Noé 11:37, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

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Removing the right lang parameter[edit]

I've been cleaning up some cases where the template with the redundant |lang= parameter was nested inside another template, and you removed the parameter from the outer template. Please keep an eye out for this. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 13:37, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

@Chuck Entz: Sorry, the regex was a bit too greedy initially, should be fixed now. – Jberkel (talk) 19:42, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

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Au passage, merci beaucoup pour la traduction en anglais :D Pamputt (talk) 09:09, 3 November 2017 (UTC)


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Hello. Would you like to become an admin? --Rerum scriptor (talk) 12:29, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Is it like taking the red pill? – Jberkel (talk) 13:41, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
Yes, kinda. You'll never be the same afterwards. So, do you want to see how deep the rabbit hole goes? --Rerum scriptor (talk) 23:49, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
Not now, maybe at some later point, unless there's a dire shortage of admins (which I don't think there is). – Jberkel 08:55, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

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EWDC #4[edit]

Hi! Here are your 10 random missing English words for this month.

Equinox 23:30, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-06[edit]

20:51, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-07[edit]

21:59, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-08[edit]

22:54, 19 February 2018 (UTC)


At thwikt have error "attempt to index field 'wikibase' (a nil value)" everywhere (like th:กากี). It seems it does not know the "mw.wikibase" (= nil). How can we solve this? --Octahedron80 (talk) 04:33, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

P.S. Now I temporarily put direct link to WD intead. --Octahedron80 (talk) 05:22, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

@Octahedron80: that's probably because wikidata is not enabled over there. I've added a check in Special:Diff/49029418. – Jberkel 07:56, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Pointless edits[edit]

Why are you making edits like this? —Justin (koavf)TCM 08:03, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

See WT:NORM. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 08:52, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
@Koavf: all my recent edits are an attempt to clean up misindented quotes, see Wiktionary_talk:Todo#Misformatted/indented_quotes. – Jberkel 10:03, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
This makes literally no difference. You may want to have the Flood flag added to your account temporarily if you are going to do this or ask for a bot. @Metaknowledge I don't see any value to this--I have seen this at NORM before and it seems wildly nitpicky. At the very least, this work should be done by a bot, no? —Justin (koavf)TCM 10:34, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
To a human a missing space makes little difference, but regular/normalized data is useful for automated parsing/error detection, which is the case here with @DTLHS's script. A bot might be a good idea to fix this in the future, but for this particular case there were maybe 20 instances, so I used AWB. – Jberkel 10:45, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks--this and the explanation below are very logical and helpful. —Justin (koavf)TCM 10:57, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
@Koavf: You say that you have seen it at NORM before, and you also say that it is "pointless" and pester somebody for making such an edit. That seems very odd to me. As an admin, you need to uphold the results of consensus, even if you personally may not like them. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 16:46, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
@Metaknowledge Altho I am familiar with NORM, I did not remember every line of it. I don't see how I'm not "upholding" the results of consensus--it's not like I asked him to undo it nor did I undo it myself; I just suggested that if he's going to do many edits like this which do not change anything about the content or rendering of the page to get the flood flag first or have a bot do it instead, which is actually a very reasonable request. The issue here is clearly with the parser or script, not his behavior. —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:22, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Removal of sources[edit]

Can you please explain this edit? —Justin (koavf)TCM 08:07, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

He explained it in his edit summary: those aren't references. They could serve as quotations, but the entry already has more than enough quotations that illustrate usage better than those do. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 08:52, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
@Koavf: What meta said. I thought about moving them to the citations page but they are already included there, so I deleted them. – Jberkel 10:52, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-09[edit]

19:52, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

EWDC #5[edit]

Hi! Here are your 10 random missing English words for this month.

Equinox 00:23, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-10[edit]

17:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-11[edit]

19:43, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-12[edit]

15:03, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-13[edit]

20:04, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Link to Wikipedia in yaourt[edit]

I notice that you've placed the link to Wikipedia:fr:yaourt under "Further reading" using Template:pedia, while I originally placed it on the top of the entry using Template:wp. What's the reason behind the amendment? Professorjohnas (talk) 11:10, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

@Professorjohnas: It's becoming common practice to use a list of inline links in "Further reading" instead of cluttering the page with boxes. This way all project links are handled consistently. See {{wikipedia}}: "Consider using the inline version of this template instead". – Jberkel 11:18, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
@Jberkel: Ooops. Today I added Wikipedia boxes to a few entries. Should I delete them and add links under "Further reading" instead? And is this a consensus in the community? To me, boxes look better. Professorjohnas (talk) 12:54, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
@Professorjohnas: Don't worry, it's fine. There's no clear consensus at the moment. – Jberkel 14:31, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
@Jberkel: If there's no clear consensus, will your "corrections" potentially provoke edit wars? Professorjohnas (talk) 16:37, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
@Professorjohnas: See an older discussion Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2017/June "Where to place wikipedia templates?" – Jberkel 18:03, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

EWDC #6[edit]

Hi! Here are your 10 random missing English words for this month.

Equinox 21:24, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata idea[edit]

Since you have technical knowhow and seem more optimistic about Wikidata than I am, I thought you might like this idea. We have about 4600 taxonomic entries that have image requests, and the images for many of them are presumably already in the image field at Wikidata. Because of the bijective nature of taxonomy, we can feel sure that those images are appropriate on those pages, and you could run a bot to add the images. What do you think? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 22:00, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

@Metaknowledge: That's not too complicated to do. I checked a bunch of items and most of them had an image set. While we're at it we should also add {{projectlink/wikidata}} or similar to the "Further reading" list, so we explicitly link back to the WD item. – Jberkel 05:41, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
If you can do it by bot, it's technically not calling Wikidata and therefore doesn't need to gain consensus (sneaky, I know). I disagree about the projectlink, though, because I don't think it serves our readers; the links to Wikipedia and Wikispecies are more informative. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 06:18, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
The other advantage of bot inserted content is that it's easy to make changes afterwards, change the image etc. It's also consistent with all the other entries. About the backlink, you're probably right, I wasn't primarily thinking about human consumption. Maybe it can be it done the other way round, add a link from WD > WT. – Jberkel 09:46, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Shouldn't they be linking to us anyway? Also, what's your plan for when Wikidata specifies multiple images? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 19:05, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Wikipedia is heavily linked with Wikidata, Wiktionary is not. If there are multiple images we could just pick the first one, or skip and pick one manually. – Jberkel 19:47, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Well, I guess I don't care about what happens on the Wikidata end. Picking the first one seems like the easiest option (after all, it can always be changed later). Do you want to try a test run soon? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 21:32, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Ok, will let you know once I have something to test. – Jberkel 00:15, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
@Metaknowledge: I finally managed to work on this. Have a look at my last few edits and see if they make sense. – Jberkel 02:02, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
Thank you so much for remembering this! The edits mostly look good, but what happened at Actophilornis albinucha? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 02:25, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
There was a bug, it picked the wrong image from Wikidata, I reverted manually and ran the script again. What's the next step? Do I need to create a separate bot account? – Jberkel 05:17, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
You can run it under your own account if you get a flood flag. (Obviously a bot account is a better long-term strategy, but that requires starting a vote and waiting two weeks.) Just ping me when you want the flood flag given and removed (bearing in mind that I may not be able to get to it quickly when I am at work). —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 06:25, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
Hi Jan, salut :)
C'est trop cool ! Si tu veux tenter de faire tourner ton script sur le Wiktionnaire francophone, on est preneurs ! J'suis sûr que des gens comme Automatik ou Pamputt pourraient aider Face-smile.svg Noé 08:03, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
@Noé: salut! oui volontiers, mais j'aimerais d'abord le faire tourner ici avec les 4000+ articles pour déboguer un peu.
@Metaknowledge it's ready to run, pass the flag please. – Jberkel 05:01, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
I just gave you the flood flag, set to expire in 24 hours. Please ping me if you want it off sooner or extended longer (bearing in mind my slow response time). Don't ping me if it doesn't work, because the flood flag's always buggy and I can't do anything about that; you'll just have to throttle your edit speed a bit. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 15:29, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
@Metaknowledge:, ok script ran successfully. The category is now down to 828 items. The remaining items have sometimes invalid Wikipedia links (article does not exist, or links to disambiguation page), or it's about that one type of butterfly only found in some remote part of Ecuador, which hasn't been assigned an image on Wikidata yet. Obviously we can't do anything about that, but for the other cases I could run another script to flag or remove invalid WP links if you think that's worth it. – Jberkel 22:05, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Thank you! I think that removing/fixing invalid Wikipedia links (as well as invalid Wikispecies links) would be useful. I also don't see any reason not to run this for all the remaining taxonomic entries, not just those with {{rfi}} in them. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 04:32, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
Removing invalid Wikipedia links is mostly done, I still need to run some cleanup jobs. I didn't touch the Wikispecies links for now. We can run this on all taxonomic entries, if the image cannot automatically be determined the script could just insert the {{rfi|mul}} template. – Jberkel 14:33, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
Sounds good. I don't think the script should be inserting more {{rfi}}s, since (except for this operation) they are almost never fulfilled and when you can't get it from Wikidata, chances are that there isn't an image of it at all at Commons. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 16:40, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
Another step, which will probably be much harder and may not be worthwhile, is to get a few more by automatically navigating the taxonomy. For example, Cardamineae still has an image request, but an image of any of its constituent genera (e.g. Cardamine) would be appropriate. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 16:43, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
I don't think it's worthwile to navigate the taxonomy to insert images. I find the translingual sections useful but we shouldn't aim to replace/rebuild Wikispecies or Wikipedia. I can easily run this on all taxonomic translingual entries (those without images). – Jberkel 14:37, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-26[edit]

23:10, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Timeless Newsletter • Issue 1[edit]

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Newsletter • July 2018

Welcome to the first issue of the Timeless newsletter! This issue is being sent or forwarded to everyone who has at some point expressed an interest in the project, give or take, as well as a couple of other potentially relevant pages, so if you would like to continue (or start) receiving this newsletter directly, please sign up for further updates on the meta page.

The news:

The Timeless grant has been selected for funding, and the project is now underway!

While I've had a somewhat slow start working on the project for health reasons, I'm pleased to announce that everything described in the proposal is now either happening, or on its way to happening.

Current progress:

  • The project now has a hub on Meta to serve as a directory for the various related pages, workboards, and local discussions and help pages. It's probably incomplete, especially with regards to specific language projects that might have local pages for Timeless, so if you know of others, please add them!
  • Outreach: I've been talking to various people and groups directly about skinning, desktop/mobile interfaces, project management, specific component support, and other things, and have begun to compile a very shoddy list of skinning problems and random issues on based on this. Some of this may inform the direction of this project, or possibly this project will result in building a more proper list that can then be used for other things. We shall see.
  • Some development - task triage, code review, bug fixing, and various rabbit holes involving ...overflows.

General plan for the future:

  • Triage the rest of the workboard.
  • Catch up with all the talkpages and other bug reports that have been left various other places that are not the project workboard
  • Do all the bug fixes/features/other things!
  • Some proposals aimed at Commons and Wikisource in particular (maybe, we'll see)

Essentially, the grant as written shall be carried out. This was the plan, and remains the plan. Timelines remain fuzzy, but while there have been some initial delays, I don't particularly expect the timeline for project as a whole to change a whole lot.

Also, for anyone at Wikimania right now: I am also at Wikimania. Come talk to me in person!

Thank you all for your interest and support thus far!

-— Isarra 12:23, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

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Actualités de juillet en français[edit]

Salut !

Le numéro de juillet des Actualités du Wiktionnaire vient juste de paraître et nous avons à peine commencé à le traduire en anglais. Si certaines parties t'intéressent et que tu as envie de faire un peu de traduction, tu es le bienvenu pour aider Face-smile.svg Noé 09:25, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Dara a été plus rapide que toi, et je viens d'ajouter l'avis de publication. N'hésite pas à relire la traduction, tu trouveras sans doute des choses à corriger. Et sinon, bon été à toi Face-smile.svg Noé 09:51, 7 August 2018 (UTC)


Salut !

Cette année, la Wikiconvention francophone tombe en même temps que la WikiCon germanophone, pas de bol ! Ce sera le premier weekend d'octobre et on a déjà proposé dix rencontres autour du Wiktionnaire (alors que les germanophones, aucune !). Est-ce que tu as une idée d'où tu seras ? J'ai proposé que l'on essaye de mettre en place un temps d'échange par vidéo entre les deux événements. Je ne connais pas assez l'allemand pour aller traduire cette proposition aux collègues. Est-ce que tu pourrais éventuellement t'en charger ? Sans vouloir influencer ton jugement davantage, je serai très content de te revoir en France bientôt Face-smile.svg Noé 10:26, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

@Noé: je sais pas encore ou je serai, mais je vais essayer de venir à Grenoble, allez Wiktionnaire! Bien sûr, je peux toujours vous aider avec une traduction. L'idée est de faire un échange des équipes organisatrices ou aussi pour les participants? – Jberkel 22:25, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
L'idée était de proposer ça entre les participants, mais je n'avais pas du tout le temps de m'occuper de ça. Tant pis. Est-ce que tu sais un peu mieux si tu viendras ? Et sinon, si tu veux pratiquer un peu de français, les Actualités de septembre viennent de paraître et nous serions content d'avoir de l'aide pour les traduire en anglais Face-smile.svg Noé 09:05, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
@Noé: Je suis encore en Italie (Sicile), à vélo, donc un peu compliqué d'aller à Grenoble vites-fait :) C'est dommage, j'aurais bien participé encore une fois. Je veux bien vous aider avec la traduction, mais je n'ai pas toujours Internet, donc ça prendra un peu plus de temps. Ciao! – Jberkel 18:36, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
Dommage ! J'espérais te voir pour te convaincre de venir essayer ton robot qui ajoute des illustrations sur le Wiktionnaire francophone ! Et puis, parce que ça fait longtemps que l'on ne s'est pas vu ! Mais si tu es en Italie, ton trajet de retour vers l'Allemagne passera bien un jour par Lyon, hein ? Et si tu es encore en Italie en novembre, tu pourrais profiter de l'ItWikiCon ! Ils n'ont rien encore sur le Wiktionnaire, et si tu as envie de récupérer les présentations que nous avons préparé, je peux t'envoyer les fichiers modifiables. Tu n'aurais qu'à changer les captures d'écran pour en prendre du Wiktionnaire italophone et ça serait prêt ! J'suis sûr qu'Otourly serait tenté de t'aider en plus Face-smile.svg Noé 06:34, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
@Noé: Je serai à itwikicon, et j'ai proposé d'y faire une présentation, si elle est acceptée je reprendrais volontiers ce que vous avez déjà fait. – Jberkel 08:43, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
Super ! Face-smile.svg Noé 07:14, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
@Noé: Ok, ils veulent bien que je fasse une présentation, alors j'ai besoin de vos fichiers, et peut-être t'as d'autres idées de quoi parler? J'utilise le Wikizionario italien de temps en temps, mais j'en sais rien. – Jberkel 14:26, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Images in taxonomic name entries[edit]

Thanks for adding images to these entries.

I'd appreciate it if you could add captions that include the species name, preferably enclosed in {{taxlink}}. You don't have to worry about any technicalities of the template, because I follow and empty the important tracking categories.

Wikidata may not be a reliable source for images that are closely matched to our entries. In two cases I've seen today the species did not appear to be in taxon. Papaveroideae (Papaveraceae) is the one that comes to mind. The picture is of a species of Dianthus (Caryophyllaceae, ie, different families).

When adding images I use the commons link in the entry. I try to find:

  1. images for the type species (for genera, families, orders, etc) whenever possible
  2. images that shed some etymological light on the name (vernacular or scientific).
  3. for vernacular names, which uncontroversially have translations, a geographic distribution map
  4. images of particularly distinctive, weird or beautiful features
  5. images that show interspecies relationships

I have also noticed that many species of trees, flowers, shrubs, vines, viruses, bacteria, algae do not look very different from hundreds of other species. So any species that has something other than a generic picture should be illustrated from the less common types of images.

If you keep on doing things exactly as you have been, that'll be fine too. DCDuring (talk) 22:08, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

@DCDuring: The links were all added automatically as suggested by @Metaknowledge. I'd like to work a bit more on the script, and adding captions would be easy. I'm sure there are some errors in Wikidata, for this reason I've included the wikidata id in the diff (e.g. Papaveroideae => wikidata:Q596716). If you want to help fix the data: Wikidata statements can be "ranked" so you could just add another (maybe more representative) image and flag it as "preferred", which would get picked up by the script. We thought about running the script on all taxonomic entries, but I wanted to wait to get some feedback first. If the data quality isn't good then it might not be worth it. I personally find even the generic images useful – some taxonomic entries are quite technical and the images immediately tell you what kind of "thing" you're looking at. While running the script I also noticed that a few entries had invalid (page not found or ambiguous) Wikipedia links, these could be flagged with {{attention}} or similar for manual cleanup. – Jberkel 00:03, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
From my PoV this is more trouble than it's worth. If a human user were to regularly make erroneous contributions we would educate them and then block them. DCDuring (talk) 12:59, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
A carnation is not a papaveroid. Many higher taxonomic entities have such diverse morphologies in their membership that no image is very appropriate and, indeed no vernacular name or comprehensible substantive definition other than very technical ones is available. We'd be better off with a small icon to indicate which kingdom an organism was from than an erroneous, but pretty full-color picture. Maybe the thing to do is to restrict the addition of images to species, where outright error should be impossible. How can I be informed of the additions as they occur? Also how could an entry be marked as having had a specific image rejected as wrong or inferior? I certainly hope that we aren't going to resort to WikiData overriding manual choices. DCDuring (talk) 13:09, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
@DCDuring: Agreed about restricting it to species only. The script is run manually, before doing the next run I can do some test edits firsts so you can check them. If an image is already present the entry isn't touched at all, it's only meant for entries without images which can be unambiguously linked to Wikidata. – Jberkel 07:02, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Sounds good. Let me know when you are ready to go. DCDuring (talk) 23:09, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Removal of "dangling" Wikipedia links[edit]

Thanks for identifying these. I am now revisiting these and adding links to WP articles whose title is not the Wiktionary pagename. I usually use the failed search screen to search for articles that mention the Wiktionary headword, either with a taxonomic or vernacular name of an organism as a title. So for Metalejeunea the WP link is w:Lejeuneaceae. DCDuring (talk) 06:22, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for supporting the Sustainability Initiative![edit]

Thank you for supporting the Sustainability Initiative!

Hi Jberkel, thank you for supporting the Sustainability Initiative! It really helps to be able to show that many community members support this – so I'd really appreciate it if you could motivate some of your Wikifriends to sign as well :-) Thanks again, --Gnom (talk) 22:48, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

EWDC discussion[edit]

Hello! I'm pondering doing EWDC again. See User talk:Equinox/EWDC. Equinox 04:00, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

admin 2[edit]

Hey. You were asked a year ago, but maybe now you´d like to be made an admin? Whaddaya say? Wanna sign up? --Wonderfool Dec 2018 (talk) 13:33, 1 January 2019 (UTC)


Do you know whether the second sense at Sonntagsschrift is dated or archaic? It doesn't seem to be used a lot in recent news articles or in the German Wikipedia. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 08:37, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

@Lingo Bingo Dingo: It's probably analogous to Zeitschrift, but I've never heard it used in that sense, and I doubt most speakers today would understand it. I checked a newspaper corpus and the last time it was used in that sense was 1977. The first sense should probably be marked as colloquial. – Jberkel 08:55, 17 January 2019 (UTC)