User talk:Rep movsd~enwiktionary
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[1] - yes, it's neuter noun, but lemma form is not nominative singular but prātipadika form as is usual in the dictionaries. We'd like to evade sandhi hell with word-final consonants at all costs.. ;) There are some initial guidelines at Wiktionary:About Sanskrit, but there are not many frequent Sanskrit contributors around here so the appendix page grows very slowly..
BTW, nice nickname, it brings back fond memories.. ^_^ --Ivan Štambuk 20:19, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Ivan,
I am not so much of a Sanskrit academician, I just happened to learn a bit while reading scriptures in the original, Also my mother was an MA in Sanskrit, so that helped a bit.
Glad to know there is one other individual who knows Sanskrit as well as recognizes where my nickname comes from :)
BTW I use quillpad (www dot quillpad dot in) to enter devanagari text ( I used to work for that company before ), You may find it useful too.
Regarding the consonant endings and use of halanta, My opinion is this - A large number of people who read devanagari script are those who learn Hindi. Hindi words use an implicit halanta at the end of every word, for e.g. A hindi person reads कमल as kamal and not kamala as it is meant to be. This leads to very bad vocalization of mantras and breakage of meter ( since a sylable is swallowed up ). I prefer that a word be written in a standard use sense with visarga, halanta or the bindu, so there is no ambiguity in pronunciation.
Tell me what you think.
Rep movsd 07:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
- I don't know a shit about Hindi, but I've read on how modern paṇḍits "prakritise" holy speech by omitting implicit word-final /a/, or pronounce 'ṛ' as 'ṛi'. That is, however, their own problem. We shouldn't be making assumptions and prejudices on the profile of readers using Wiktionary to learn Sanskrit, whether they are knowlegable on Hindi or not. All that we know is that they are familiar with basic English and can utilize Wiktionary as a learning resource. WT:ELE reserves space for ===Pronunciation=== section for entries in all languages, which can contain IPA/SAMPA pronunciation (of any of Sanskrit traditions, there is no orthoephy so they are all equally "valid", just like Brittish/American English).
- Per visarga sandhi grid, one can see that visarga is just allophone of word-final 'r' or 's', not a real phoneme per se. Per consonant sandhi grid, one can see that word-final 'ṃ' in 'saṃskṛtaṃ' that you've put in the Sanskrit Swadesh list page is just sandhi form of saṃskṛtam, nominative and accusative singular of prātipadika saṃskṛta. There is a good reason why sandhi rules are learned as "lesson 2" (right after the Devanagari script) in Sanskrit grammars - they're the very basic thing without which it is practically impossible to improve one's knowledge.
- Sanskrit orthography is completely phonetic (moreover, sub-phonemic, just like of it's sister language Avestan with which it shares almost exactly the same sandhi rules, conjugations classes..), and assuming that the reader who uses Wiktionary to look up Sanskrit words is prejudiced by the pronunciation of Devanagari-written words in Hindi or other Prakrits and has no prior knowledge of Sanskrit phonology and orthography is very far-fatched IMHO. Moreover, it would break 2500-year old Pāṇinian tradition of lemmatization, which is even today practiced in all modern (English) Sanskrit dictionaries AFAIK. So I would very much strongly object to e.g. moving अग्नि to अग्निः, युग to युगम, as it would IMHO induce more damage than benefit. Sorry :( --Ivan Štambuk 10:45, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
- Agreed , I shall follow this rule for all futher entries that I add and change the incorrect ones to match.
--Rep movsd 10:55, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
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