Wiktionary talk:Votes/pl-2015-12/Headings

Sample entry

I think it would be a shame to remove the sample entry. People like me learn by example, so that is a really good way at a glance to understand what is going on in this section of the policy. If it is made to comply with WT:NORM and some of the rarely-used headings are removed (with a note placed above it to the effect that it is not a "complete" example), I would be very happy to see it kept in WT:EL. This, that and the other (talk) 10:49, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

WT:EL currently has 2 example entries: WT:EL#A very simple example (which is currently tiny) and the example entry in WT:EL#Additional headings (which I proposed to delete, but I'd keep the rest of the "Additional headings" section for now because there are contents in it besides the example entry.)

I suggest having just one example entry, (WT:EL#A very simple example) and expanding it with any information that we deem useful. (that would require another vote)

By the way, the order of headings is diferent, thus inconsistent, (thus useless for the purpose of determining what is the order of headings) between the two texts I proposed to delete: the "Additional headings" text and the "Order of headings" section. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 11:02, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

I was referring specifically to the sample entry in "Additional headings". I'm not sure that combining the two would be a good thing. A simple example and a more advanced example could both be useful to include in EL, so long as they don't contradict each other. (This is one problem with having policy pages under "lock and key"; it's impossible for users to boldly go in and correct glaring errors like this.)

I'm not sure if I'll support this vote if it doesn't make clear what is going to happen to the sample entry under "Additional headings". If the intention is to remove it altogether, without bringing it back somewhere else, I'll be forced to oppose. This, that and the other (talk) 04:31, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

What do you think about Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2015-12/Headings/Alt? Mind you, I did not exactly like it. I'd still prefer the current bulleted list, but there's no harm in looking into that proposal to see if I missed something or it could be improved.

Also, I think I created too many votes to revise WT:EL so I'm not too eager to create another one to edit the tiny example at WT:EL#A very simple example right now, maybe in a month after the votes are expected to end. Feel free to oppose (or support, abstain, who knows) this one until then. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 04:53, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I created Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2015-12/Headings/Alt because you had said in your message that the bulleted list was complicated, (link) but since you quickly removed that statement from your message, I guess that new "alt" layout is off the table, then. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 04:56, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Usage notes

Usage notes should come after the inflection/conjugation/declension section. --WikiTiki89 18:08, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

 Done --Daniel Carrero (talk) 18:12, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Quotations

The ====Quotations==== header is actually obsolete, although I think there may be a few editors who still like to use it. It is preferred to include the quotations either as bullets after individual definitions, or in the "Citations:" namespace. --WikiTiki89 18:17, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

I've been adding links to the "Citations:" under a Quotations header, see alfinete de segurança. But I don't mind if the header is actually obsolete, I'd stop using it for that purpose. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 18:26, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

I'll leave a link to prior a discussion about it, for my own purposes. Also in case there's someone interested: Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2010/July#Value of the Quotations header? --Daniel Carrero (talk) 18:32, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

(e/c) The usefulness of the {{seeCites}} template is disputable in and of itself, but if you are to use it, just put it under the definition. It still makes more sense to me to just copy a few useful quotations over instead of providing a link. --WikiTiki89 18:33, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Sure. But as for the fact that the "Quotations" header is obsolete, maybe it's better to leave it in the vote for the moment since some people (other than me) seem to still use it as demonstrated by a search of "quotations": There are 4,598 results, (search link) probably 1,500+ are mine since I filled Category:Portuguese citations with quotations and the category has 1,511 pages. The official deprecation of the "Quotations" header and complete removal of it from the entries and from EL could be done in a separate vote, I think. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 18:42, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Alright that makes sense. In that case, I'll just say that I wasn't sure about its location in relation to the inflection and usage notes sections, but I guess the order we have it in makes more sense than the other possible sequences. --WikiTiki89 19:01, 22 December 2015 (UTC)