Module talk:gu-translit

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@kc_kennylau You've done a great job fixing the Bengali translit module, are you interested in fixing this one? It's much closer to Hindi, though.--Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 21:42, 17 March 2016 (UTC)Reply

It may not need any fixing. I don't agree with one failed case. @DerekWinters Thanks! --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 21:46, 17 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
@Atitarev Which one? Also, I added a few more cases. DerekWinters (talk) 15:24, 20 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
It was producing "jindagī" before, not "jindgī".--Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 19:55, 20 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Oh ok. Yeah I've always heard jindgī, but if I hadn't I would assume jindagī. DerekWinters (talk) 20:12, 20 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Is there a light shwa? Should nasal consonants be treated differently? I think "a" wouldn't be dropped in Hindi in such positions, at least for transliteration purposes, pls correct me if I'm wrong.--Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 20:44, 20 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
@Atitarev Hindi, Gujarati, Marathi, etc. release their stops, so the puff of air that comes afterwards may or may not seem like a schwa. This word should have a schwa in between, and does so clearly in Hindi, but from all my experience it doesn't in Gujarati. Another speaker may have a different opinion however. DerekWinters (talk) 20:49, 20 March 2016 (UTC)Reply

Transliterating om[edit]

@DerekWinters, Atitarev, Stephen G. Brown: The module fails with transliterating (oṃ); I would like to add it in, as I have for other languages, but I have no idea what the correct output is, having never studied Gujarati. Is oṃ correct? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 03:26, 21 September 2016 (UTC)Reply

Yes, same as Sanskrit (oṃ) - "oṃ". --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 04:08, 21 September 2016 (UTC)Reply
I believe it can be either "oṃ" or "om" for Gujarati. They pronounce it "om" and would respell it અઉમ. —Stephen (Talk) 04:43, 21 September 2016 (UTC)Reply
For transliteration purposes it would be right to use "oṃ". --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 05:40, 21 September 2016 (UTC)Reply
@Metaknowledge, Atitarev, Stephen G. Brown Perhaps we shouldn'transliterate ॐ. ॐ I feel is a fairly standard symbol that should get a translingual section, but also, should be left as is. It is the most recognizable form of om, and the Bengali, Gujarati, Javanese, etc. all would be considered synonymous, or even transliterations (under the translingual header). My proposal would then have the (oṃ) transliterated as ॐ. Does that seem sensible?
No :) We need to transliterate it into Roman letters.--Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 20:41, 21 September 2016 (UTC)Reply
Alright, sounds good. But then why is it coming up as õ? DerekWinters (talk) 20:46, 21 September 2016 (UTC)Reply
Because Meta hasn't fixed it yet.--Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 20:48, 21 September 2016 (UTC)Reply
I have no idea what I did wrong; I don't know much about Lua. Looks like @Kc kennylau has worked a lot on this module, maybe he can help. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 20:57, 21 September 2016 (UTC)Reply
It seems the chandrabindu adds a tilde to the letter by default.--Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 21:00, 21 September 2016 (UTC)Reply
But the chandrabindu isn't separately encoded. DerekWinters (talk) 21:47, 21 September 2016 (UTC)Reply

nasal_assim[edit]

@Wyang, kc_kennylau can you improve this local set so that it looks something like this, without breaking the code?

local nasal_assim = {
	['ક'] = 'ણ', ['ખ'] = 'ણ', ['ગ'] = 'ણ', ['ઘ'] = 'ણ', 
	['ચ'] = 'ઞ', ['છ'] = 'ઞ', ['જ'] = 'ઞ', ['ઝ'] = 'ઞ',  
	['ટ'] = 'ણ', ['ઠ'] = 'ણ', ['ડ'] = 'ણ', ['ઢ'] = 'ણ',
	['ત'] = 'ન', ['થ'] = 'ન', ['દ'] = 'ન', ['ધ'] = 'ન', ['ન'] = 'ન',
	['પ'] = 'મ', ['ફ'] = 'મ', ['બ'] = 'મ', ['ભ'] = 'મ', ['મ'] = 'મ',
}

Thanks in advance! — AWESOME meeos * ([nʲɪ‿bʲɪ.spɐˈko.ɪtʲ]) 01:40, 18 April 2017 (UTC)Reply

@Wyang Please don't. DerekWinters (talk) 20:35, 18 April 2017 (UTC)Reply
@Awesomemeeos The information you provided is wrong. Take this as a lesson learned and consult with speakers of the language (me, in this case) so that you can actually make helpful, meaningful changes. The nasal assimilation is perfect as is. DerekWinters (talk) 20:37, 18 April 2017 (UTC)Reply