Talk:alcoholic beverage
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Deletion debate[edit]
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NISoP. "More than a trace of alcohol" is not a defence but a silly red herring; a "green verge" might not be 100% green but we use our common sense. Entry has translations that might be worth keeping somewhere. Equinox ◑ 21:23, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
- Well, this might be due to the fact that a beverage that contains alcohol is not an alcoholic beverage if the alcohol content is less than a certain percentage ABV (in the range 0.5% or 0.05% I think, depending on the jurisdiction). If anything that is an idiomatic feature of "non-alcoholic" nor "alcoholic beverage". Delete. Thryduulf (talk)
- The legal-term justification would be warranted if we actually had such a definition. I hope we don't have to have hundreds of such definitions, although we could always have an Appendix and a blanket reference thereto in whatever entry we decided to have. DCDuring TALK 22:11, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
- It's just a beverage that's alcoholic. Where I live, people don't refer to drinks as 'beverages' but you can say 'alcoholic beverage', so it's something of a set phrase. But merely the sum of its parts. I think if we kept this we couldn't really delete alcoholic drink. Delete Mglovesfun (talk) 08:35, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
- The primary argument here would be valid IF we were deciding whether to keep non-alcoholic (which we aren't) as "non-alcoholic" can mean there is in fact some alcohol present. But using this argument to keep the nominated entry is false logic. alcoholic means "containing alcohol in any amount" + beverage means "a drink". Complete SoP without a shadow of a doubt. Delete. -- ALGRIF talk 15:13, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
- It's just a beverage that's alcoholic. Where I live, people don't refer to drinks as 'beverages' but you can say 'alcoholic beverage', so it's something of a set phrase. But merely the sum of its parts. I think if we kept this we couldn't really delete alcoholic drink. Delete Mglovesfun (talk) 08:35, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
- The legal-term justification would be warranted if we actually had such a definition. I hope we don't have to have hundreds of such definitions, although we could always have an Appendix and a blanket reference thereto in whatever entry we decided to have. DCDuring TALK 22:11, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
- Delete current definition ("A beverage containing more than a trace amount of alcohol"). Replace/rewrite it with a standard of identity if one exists, but a search of the CFR, though it turns up at last two (prima facie different) definitions of alcoholic beverage, does not seem to turn up a standard of identity: the deifnitions it does have are simply "as used in this section" type of things. (But I haven't checked every single hit for alcoholic beverage: there are numerous. I've checked most of them, and the rest seem unlikely to include standards of identity.)—msh210℠ (talk) 16:15, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Deleted.—msh210℠ (talk) 19:28, 13 September 2010 (UTC)