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- Regarding the use of "baby" as an adjective, see also RFD on talk Talk:baby.
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# {{lb|en|gay slang}} A young [[lesbian]].
It seems like sum of parts, with "baby" meaning that the person is still not fully mature as a [whatever]: baby gay; baby trans.
(This sense seems to be missing from/should be added to the baby entry.) —Suzukaze-c (talk) 21:47, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
- Given the current definition of baby I don't consider this a sum of parts. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 00:23, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - Dentonius (my politics | talk) 22:16, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delete, but add a sense at baby for a person who is new or inexperienced in something. bd2412 T 22:51, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- I agree. Looking just randomly, e.g. "baby architect", "baby vegan", "baby Christian" all readily bring up hits of the "new", "young but not literally a baby" or "inexperienced" meaning. So delete and add the relevant sense at baby. Mihia (talk) 01:06, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
- Anyway, I added a sense for "A person who is new to or inexperienced in something", which I think we need irrespective of the outcome of this RFD. Mihia (talk) 20:41, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
- It feels like an adjective in that sense rather than a noun. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 20:51, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
- The particular example that I added ("baby architect") is analogous to some of the senses RFD'd immediately below, so I think what we decide there will determine how we should treat it. Mihia (talk) 21:00, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
- For now, I have just changed the example so that this issue does not arise for now. Mihia (talk) 21:04, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
- The particular example that I added ("baby architect") is analogous to some of the senses RFD'd immediately below, so I think what we decide there will determine how we should treat it. Mihia (talk) 21:00, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
- It feels like an adjective in that sense rather than a noun. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 20:51, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
- Anyway, I added a sense for "A person who is new to or inexperienced in something", which I think we need irrespective of the outcome of this RFD. Mihia (talk) 20:41, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
- I agree. Looking just randomly, e.g. "baby architect", "baby vegan", "baby Christian" all readily bring up hits of the "new", "young but not literally a baby" or "inexperienced" meaning. So delete and add the relevant sense at baby. Mihia (talk) 01:06, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
- Newbie goths were called baby bats. Equinox ◑ 20:43, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom; compare these, one of which is clearly adjectival ("very baby"):
- 2017, Lily Burana, Grace for Amateurs: Field Notes on a Journey Back to Faith, Thomas Nelson (→ISBN), page 38:
- Halloween is a misfit's high holy day, but I didn't comprehend the sacred aspects of Halloween until I'd celebrated it as a baby Goth, all of sixteen years old, in a gay neighborhood.
- 2004, Daniel Fischlin, Ajay Heble, The Other Side of Nowhere: Jazz, Improvisation, and Communities in Dialogue, Wesleyan University Press (→ISBN), page 337:
- One of the first things I did, when I was a baby editor, was practice on tapes from Chet Baker Sings.
- 2006, Marion Halligan, The Apricot Colonel, Allen & Unwin (→ISBN)
- Of when I was a baby editor. Very baby, it was actually a kind of work experience, I was still at university but I knew what I wanted. With a small independent publisher, good reputation, did some marvellous books, […]
- 2017, Lily Burana, Grace for Amateurs: Field Notes on a Journey Back to Faith, Thomas Nelson (→ISBN), page 38:
- (I can't see the last book to see the sentence that comes before the quoted one, but I'm guessing it's something like "I had memories." or "I started to tell stories.") - -sche (discuss) 18:17, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not certain one way or another about PoS, but regarding "very baby", note that we can also say e.g. "This is a London pub. Very London." or "He is a management person. Very management.", etc. Mihia (talk)
- Perhaps we could also look at stress patterns. For example, "baby clothes", in the sense of "clothes for a baby", where hopefully we all agree "baby" is not an adjective, can hardly be said with the stress on "clothes" (unless "clothes" is being contrasted with something else previously mentioned, which is a separate special case). OTOH, "baby editor" can be said with more stress on "editor" than "baby". Mihia (talk) 21:19, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not certain one way or another about PoS, but regarding "very baby", note that we can also say e.g. "This is a London pub. Very London." or "He is a management person. Very management.", etc. Mihia (talk)
- Delete.__Gamren (talk) 19:11, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- Delete, SOP. PUC – 12:37, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- Delete, but I don't think "person who is new to or inexperienced in something" covers this very well; "a person who is new to or inexperienced at being a dyke/lesbian" doesn't sound right to me. I also think "baby dyke"/"baby gay" are typically used for newcomers to the LGBTQ movement, rather than just anyone who has recently realised that xe is gay/lesbian or has recently come out of the closet (but for instance doesn't care about activism/representation).
←₰-→Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 11:01, 17 December 2020 (UTC) - RFD-deleted. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 22:55, 1 January 2021 (UTC)