Talk:good luck with that

Deletion debate

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good luck with that

A catchphrase. It means good luck + with + that, but, delivered sarcastically, it means I don't think your effort will succeed. Are all instances of sarcasm to be included? DCDuring TALK 21:18, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

This phrase seems more non-sum-of-parts than most entries in Category:Phrasebook by its being non-literal. However, the phrase is not in OneLook dictionaries. It seems that dealing with the Category:Phrasebook can of worms in a consistent manner would be more important than deleting the particular common phrase "good luck with that". --Dan Polansky 09:38, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

All sarcasm is non-literal. Equinox ◑ 16:03, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree that there is merit to a WikiPhrasebook and that en.wikt (or, possibly, simple.wikt ?) is likely the best home for it. To be useful, a phrasebook should be selective, probably more selective than even an "exclusionist" version of en.wikt. The non-sarcastic sense of this term might merit inclusion in such a phrasebook. Sarcasm and ironic use of language are dangerous areas for a language learner. I doubt that any dictionary entry not accompanied by video (with sound) of facial expression and body language of speaker and audience in extended context could do such usage justice. DCDuring TALK 17:14, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Delete per nom.​—msh210℠ 17:39, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

good luck is used sarcastically, this is not the only collocation of that type ergo delete. Mglovesfun (talk) 19:37, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Deleted.​—msh210℠ 19:17, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

I have been rude and "undeleted" this for now. It is a set phrase with an unclear meaning, and besides, someone just looked it up. Conrad.Irwin 00:03, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Did they search for it, or might it have been a click on the link above from this discussion? Equinox ◑ 00:04, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

It was in an IRC conversation on #wiktionary. Conrad.Irwin 00:11, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Strong keep. This term does not normally mean its literal meaning. Rather it is almost always a sarcastic comment implying that there is no chance of something happening.--Dmol 00:15, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Delete Let's not add an ironic sense for every expression known to man. Let's include terms and proverbs, but not other statements, sentences, paragraphs, or minor written works. —Michael Z. 2010-03-27 01:59 z

If I say he's very good-looking but I mean it sarcastically, then it doesn't have its literal meaning. But it is some of parts. Deleted. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:52, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I do not understand deletion policies but I understand this: the phrase is used almost exclusively in the sarcastic meaning. Often, that's not apparent from the context. People know they should interpret it sarcastically because they are used to that. Non-English speakers might not be aware of this fact, however, and thus fail to understand its usage. I don't really care about what get's into wiktionary, I just thought that a reasonable fact should be pointed out.