Appendix talk:Dené-Yeniseian Swadesh lists

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I don't see many similarities between words in these three languages. 07:24, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Not many will be visible. The feature that really ties Navajo to Ket and Tlingit is the classifiers, such as -ł-. If we compare Navajo to languages such as Dena'ina and Apache, you would see a lot of similarities. At least you would if the common linguistic examples are used, which, unfortunately, are often specific to Athabaskan languages and not included in a Swadesh list (such as the postpositions such as shił). —Stephen 12:12, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you; that is very interesting. R. Carlos Nakai told me that he took his father to meet some Athabascans in Alaska and his father said their language sounded like the way Navajo people used to speak years ago. 08:06, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

There are still some visible cognates, such as the ones for "stone" (Ket təˀs, Tlingit té, Navajo tsé), "foot," and "mouth." These languages had diverged many thousands of years ago, so it's only natural for them to go through a lot of change. In comparison, languages such as Hittite and Albanian do not share many cognates with most other Indo-European languages, but you can see they are still IE languages if you look at sound correspondences and grammatical structures. Here are some interesting articles you might want to take a look at -,, Stevey7788 01:44, 27 August 2010 (UTC)


  • ENGLISH: Ket, Navajo

— Stevey7788 20:00, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

stem noun table[edit]

Stephen asked me to have a look -- I throw this in here; not sure how you guys set up lists here. The whole deal works best for the so-called "stem nouns", e.g. the few true monosyllabic nouns. Seb az86556 00:20, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Navajo Sarcee Chipewyan Beaver Carrier Sekani Ahtna (English)
chaaʼ tsxa tsáá chááʼ tsaa tsáʼ tsaʼ beaver
tsé tsáh tΘee chée tΘee tsee tsʼees stone
tłʼoh (guu)tłʼowí tłʼog tłʼógi tłʼooh tłʼóó tłʼogh grass
łid tłi łʊr łʊd łʊd łʊd łet smoke
tútii tuu chúu tuuh chúu tuu water
kʼos kʼos kʼoΘ kʼos kʼvs kʼos kʼos cloud
sǫʼ sʊn tΘʊ́n sʊ́n sʊm sʊm sonʼ star
kǫʼ kuu kon kʊ́n kʊn kon konʼ fire

Additional terms?[edit]

Can additional terms of relevance to the American Southwest be added to this list, such as "maize," "turquoise," or "pottery"? 18:31, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Since this is a Swadesh list, no, they can't. You could, nevertheless, create a list of your own that would focus on this type of cultural vocabulary. It might be interesting to see too. --Petusek (talk) 17:56, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Ket dialects[edit]

It should be made clear which Ket dialects are being listed or, more precisely, which words come from which dialects. The Ket column looks rather messy in its current form.--Petusek (talk) 17:48, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

The Ket words should be written in Ket Cyrillic alphabet. If we get enough Ket Cyrillic terms, then it will be worthwhile to write a transliteration module for Ket (Lua program) which will transliterate it automatically and consistently. Somebody just needs to find the time to do this. The transliteration will be fairly easy, but first we need Ket words written in Ket Cyrillic. —Stephen (Talk) 04:46, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Transcription, transliteration[edit]

It is not clear which of the Ket forms are phonetic transcription, which are merely transliteration/romanization. These things should be sorted out. Also, you might want to consult this page. --Petusek (talk) 17:53, 24 September 2015 (UTC)