Category talk:Words from Shakespeare

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RFM discussion: October 2010–May 2017[edit]


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October 2010[edit]

Maybe to Category:Shakespeare derivations. Also, some of these terms are not words. --Felonia 12:45, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Not to mention removing the ones that aren't from Shakespeare. Benedict is from Classical Latin. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

September 2015[edit]

I'd prefer Category:Terms from Shakespeare. Or something better --Zo3rWer (talk) 14:36, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Support switching "words" to "terms", additionally support clearer naming such as Category:Terms coined by Shakespeare. --Tropylium (talk) 18:58, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Also support switching to something like Category:Terms coined by Shakespeare. Note that we also need to update Wikipedia Shakespeare's influence § Vocabulary. Enosh (talk) 11:51, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
Support Category:Terms coined by Shakespeare. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 12:59, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
Support Category:Terms coined by William Shakespeare. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 11:58, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Support Category:Terms coined by William Shakespeare, but is there a Category:Words first attested in Shakespeare too? —Pengo (talk) 01:49, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
In a lot of cases, the words are first attested in Shakespeare. The claim that he coined them is different... so I think something like Category:Terms first attested in Shakespeare would be more accurate. - -sche (discuss) 23:57, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
Support moving it to Category:Terms first attested in Shakespeare per -sche (I don't think we can distinguish those that he himself coined). @Tropylium, Enoshd, Daniel Carrero, I'm so meta even this acronym, Pengo, how do you feel about doing that instead? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 07:55, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Support moving it to Category:Terms first attested in Shakespeare rather than "coined". --Daniel Carrero (talk) 07:57, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Support in this case. Maybe with English prefixed, not to be so ethnocentric and for consistency. Enosh (talk) 14:43, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Support, though I'm not sure if specifying English is required. Suppose though we had similar categories for other authors who had written in multiple languages: would we want to have distinct categories like "English terms first attested in McShmoo" versus "Scots terms first attested in McSchmoo", or would a single "Terms first attested in McSchmoo" do for both? --Tropylium (talk) 18:10, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
I prefer using the language name for clarity and consistency with other categories. I wouldn't mind having Category:Chinese terms first attested in Romance of the Three Kingdoms and Category:Portuguese terms first attested in Guimarães Rosa. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 18:35, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Support Category:English terms first attested in the works of William Shakespeare. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 15:32, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

The current category's text says:

This category includes English words and phrases coined by Shakespeare, or otherwise derived from his works.
Note that this is not “Words which are first attested in Shakespeare”, which may have existed earlier in speech, but words plausibly created by Shakespeare

...which is why I thought "coined" was more appropriate, and "attested" would be a separate category. I'm not fussed about the particular category name change. Just pointing that out. Pengo (talk) 21:38, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

  • Oppose anything except current title and Category:Terms from Shakespeare: For one, my general opposition to needless moving and merging. For two, shorter title generally equals better title. Purplebackpack89 16:25, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done Ipadguy (talk) 12:38, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
Ipadguy moved it to Category:Terms from Shakespeare, despite that not being supported by consensus as far as I can tell. This move was inappropriate, so I have deleted that page for now. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 01:10, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
I've renamed this to English terms first attested in Shakespeare, per the discussion above about how these words were not necessarily coined by Shakespeare, and to include the language! I also removed the entry "Shakespeare" from the category! The last entry was what's done is done. - -sche (discuss) 19:48, 13 May 2017 (UTC)