File talk:Far Side 1982-05-28 - Thagomizer.png
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en.wikt only hosts 19 files and they are all either main page images, nominated for deletion/moving to Commons, or non fair-use that are being used temporarily in a discussion. No other file is being hosted indefinitely for fair use. Why can't someone just use the <ref> tag and refer to the comic or a book that reproduces the comic? Why do we need the comic itself? koavf (talk) 22:12, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
- Keep. It's a part of a citation page. Wiktionary is not Commons and it doesn't prohibit fair use images. Maro 00:36, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
Keep, per the fair use rationale in its description. ~ Robin (talk) 00:55, 5 May 2012 (UTC)- Keep. An image is the best way to record the image portion of the comic, which is the portion which identifies what the thagomizer is. - -sche (discuss) 17:40, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- Keep per -sche.—msh210℠ (talk) 18:11, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
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The MediaWiki Foundation is explicit about this: meta:EDP#Wiktionary. We can't host non-free content here and we are. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:40, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
- Well... that page is editable, we could just change it from 'no' to 'yes'. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:44, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
- Lol, exactly. Speedy keep because it was previously kept and the circumstances have not changed since the previous nomination (in fact, the nominator has not changed since the previous nomination). It was kept before because the illustration is useful and the use is a textbook example of fair use. - -sche (discuss) 10:52, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
- I think our gracious host, WMF, which would be stuck with the cost of defending our position, would rather that we had an explicit fair-use policy and linked to it from the page Justin cites. Which other English wiki's policy can we borrow? Or is the draft Wiktionary:Non-free content criteria good enough for a vote to adopt it. DCDuring TALK 13:14, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
- Perhaps it would be nice to have a criterium that every non-free image should be approved first before use? That would certainly help with the "minimum" part. —CodeCat 13:35, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
- But we can't actually prevent such use, can we? Is it easy to detect when files other than from Commons are used? How can such files be marked as "approved" in a way that can't be easily subverted? DCDuring TALK 16:17, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
- Maybe by making a list of approved files, that only sysops can edit? Actually protecting it may not even be necessary as long as enough people have it on their watch list. With such a list, any files that are not approved can be speedied on sight. —CodeCat 16:23, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
- Only admins can upload files anyway. Here's a list of all the pages with the prefix File:. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:58, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
- Oh well in that case I don't think we need to be that formal about it, as long as we make it clear that uploads of non-free content should have consensus first. —CodeCat 18:14, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
- The value of the formal policy has more to do with being polite guests of our host or good citizens of the WMF community than with the current frequency of use. DCDuring TALK 22:11, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
- No I meant being formal with how we keep track of non-free content. We'll still need a non-free content policy. —CodeCat 22:35, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
- The value of the formal policy has more to do with being polite guests of our host or good citizens of the WMF community than with the current frequency of use. DCDuring TALK 22:11, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
- Oh well in that case I don't think we need to be that formal about it, as long as we make it clear that uploads of non-free content should have consensus first. —CodeCat 18:14, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
- Only admins can upload files anyway. Here's a list of all the pages with the prefix File:. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:58, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
- Maybe by making a list of approved files, that only sysops can edit? Actually protecting it may not even be necessary as long as enough people have it on their watch list. With such a list, any files that are not approved can be speedied on sight. —CodeCat 16:23, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
- But we can't actually prevent such use, can we? Is it easy to detect when files other than from Commons are used? How can such files be marked as "approved" in a way that can't be easily subverted? DCDuring TALK 16:17, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
- Perhaps it would be nice to have a criterium that every non-free image should be approved first before use? That would certainly help with the "minimum" part. —CodeCat 13:35, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
- I think our gracious host, WMF, which would be stuck with the cost of defending our position, would rather that we had an explicit fair-use policy and linked to it from the page Justin cites. Which other English wiki's policy can we borrow? Or is the draft Wiktionary:Non-free content criteria good enough for a vote to adopt it. DCDuring TALK 13:14, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
- Lol, exactly. Speedy keep because it was previously kept and the circumstances have not changed since the previous nomination (in fact, the nominator has not changed since the previous nomination). It was kept before because the illustration is useful and the use is a textbook example of fair use. - -sche (discuss) 10:52, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
- Note that at the time Koavf linked in his nomination above to
meta:EDP#Wiktionary, that page was a redirect to m:Non-free content#Wiktionary. (It now redirects elsewhere.)—msh210℠ (talk) 05:45, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
