Talk:вооружённый

@Atitarev, Wikitiki89, Cinemantique Please check the short forms, they were end-stressed before but this is wrong per Zaliznyak and ruwiki. Thanks! Benwing2 (talk) 00:05, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, I don't know if "вооружена́" "вооружены́" should be considered colloquial or non-standard but you'll find sources claiming they are correct (neuter form is obviously hardly used). You can find book references for "вооружена" (without the stress mark but with one "н" and in the same sense, it could be only one pronunciation for this form). To me "вооружённа" sounds weird. Please allow both stress patterns with no labels for now, we can decide what to label them later. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 00:19, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

@Benwing2, Cinemantique, Wikitiki89 BTW, I am no longer 100% sure if it's [vəərʊˈʐonːɨj] or it should be [vɐɐrʊˈʐonːɨj] or similar cases like коопера́ция (kooperácija). --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 00:23, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

OK, no problem. Benwing2 (talk) 00:24, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

@Atitarev BTW let me know if we need the ɐɐ pronunciation. Benwing2 (talk) 00:26, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

@Benwing2 Russian_phonology#Vowel_mergers says it should be [-ɐɐ-]. I don't have a source claiming otherwise. @Cinemantique Are you there? You mentioned there are disagreements among linguists? Does Avanesov say any anything? (That book uses non-standard symbols, one needs to map them to IPA). --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 00:32, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

@Atitarev, Avanesov gives "ʌʌ" (= ɐɐ in IPA).--Cinemantique (talk) 12:51, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I would say that [-ɐɐ-] is more correct. The hiatus creates a similar situation to a word-initial vowel for the second vowel and the first vowel assimilates to it. I'm fairly sure there are also differences in [ə] between open and closed syllables, but it's really hard to tell. Trying to analyze all these reduced vowels is pretty complicated and sometimes I think we shouldn't bother and should just call them all [ə], but that wouldn't look right. --WikiTiki89 14:52, 23 October 2015 (UTC)