Talk:махра

(Notifying Atitarev, Cinemantique, KoreanQuoter, Useigor, Wanjuscha, Wikitiki89, Stephen G. Brown, Per utramque cavernam, Guldrelokk): Any ideas for etymology of these terms? The first meaning might derive from махорка, or the other way around; but I have a hard time understanding how махорка derives from Amersfoort. The etymology for махровый said it derives from мохер, but that seems wrong. Benwing2 (talk) 19:10, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

@Benwing2: The first meaning is indeed a shortening of махо́рка, which is indeed explained from *амерфортский, no matter how extreme the alternation seems (ф > х is to no wonder, for example). махра́, from which махро́вый derives, is from мох (mox), with akanye in spelling. Guldrelokk (talk) 19:28, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

@Guldrelokk BTW what are your sources? Benwing2 (talk) 19:33, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

@Benwing2: This is from Vasmer махорка and мохор. Guldrelokk (talk) 19:36, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

махорка from Amersfoort is hard to believe. махорка looks as though it's from Majorca. One website says that one of the most common types of tobacco is the "Majorca" variety, which has big tobacco leaves of the Nicotiana rustica type. However, I guess it's possible that the tobacco term "Majorca" came from махорка instead of the other way around. —Stephen ^(Talk) 19:53, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

@Stephen G. Brown: Here’s Chernykh on the subject: picture. If Majorca were a common name for a type of tobacco in the XIX century, that would probably be the chosen explanation; the oldest meaning is also ‘амерфортский табак’. Guldrelokk (talk) 20:12, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

@Benwing2, Guldrelokk, Stephen G. Brown: I believe that махо́рка (maxórka) is from Amersfoort makes sense: Амерсфо́рт (Amersfórt) -> амерфо́ртский таба́к (amerfórtskij tabák) -> амофо́рка (amofórka) -> махо́рка (maxórka). We can add Majorca as another possibility. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 00:31, 15 July 2018 (UTC)