Talk:ճակատագիր

Is it from ճակատ (čakat)? Per utramque cavernam 16:27, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes, so "writing on the forehead". I wonder if a typological parallel can be found in other languages. --Vahag (talk) 19:57, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

@Vahag: Yes, it is available: Northern Kurdish çarenivîs and Central Kurdish چارەنووس (çarenûs), from .--Calak (talk) 21:13, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

@Calak, this is interesting. Doesn't çare rather mean "face"? --Vahag (talk) 16:54, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

@Vahag: Yes in my dialect, not sure about NK. But I know it is the only word for forehead in Zazaki [1]. It should be cognate with Persian چهره.--Calak (talk) 17:50, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

The typological parallel in these neighbouring languages can't be coincidental. Either Kurdish calqued the formation from Armenian or Armenian calqued from Middle Iranian cognate of the Kurdish word or all calqued from a third source. --Vahag (talk) 19:23, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

@Vahag: Yes you are right. I Think it should be from Iranian languages. compare also Persian سرنوشت (sarnevšt) from سر (“head”) +‎ نوشت (“writing”).--Calak (talk) 17:21, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I added your parallels to the entry. --Vahag (talk) 15:41, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Declension

Isn't the last ի supposed to remain in inclined cases and the plural form end with -ներ since the root գիր is a verb root? Compare վիպագիր—վիպագիրներ. GareginRA (talk) 13:26, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

@GareginRA: It isn't a verbal root in this word, as you can see from the etymology: "writing" (noun) on the forehead. --Vahag (talk) 20:37, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

@Vahagn Petrosyan: Makes sense. Thank you. GareginRA (talk) 20:45, 20 October 2021 (UTC)