Talk:侏儒

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@Wyang Where did you get the form 邾需? Dokurrat (talk) 04:57, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

@Dokurrat Sorry I can't remember now. It could be a typo for 𫾭需 (⿰朱攵 + 需), per [1]. I will update that and the etymology. Wyang (talk) 07:32, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

@Wyang: No worries. Since 𫾭需 is from 楚簡, would it be better to label it as "ancient" rather than "obsolete"? Dokurrat (talk) 07:49, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

@Dokurrat How do "ancient" and "obsolete" differ? Per Appendix:Glossary "obsolete" just means "No longer in use, and (of a term) no longer likely to be understood", which this case would belong to. Wyang (talk) 07:52, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

@Wyang: I thought "ancient" (not used long long ago) carries more info than "obsolete". But I don't really care though. Dokurrat (talk) 07:53, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

@Dokurrat "Obsolete" it is then (not that I really care either). :) Wyang (talk) 07:55, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

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@Wyang Why 侏儒 of sense "short column on the beam" is only an alt form 株檽? 株檽 has the latest premiere attestation of the three glyphs (侏儒, 朱儒, 株檽) and 株檽 has only one attestation. Anyway, it's unnecessary to treat 株檽 as main form, I think. Dokurrat (talk) 12:26, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

@Dokurrat Because 株檽 is supposed to be the 分化字 of this. 侏儒 refers to the person, while 株檽 is the column (like 琵琶 is the instrument and 枇杷 the fruit). It's hard to judge which one is suitable from frequency since this is so rare anyway, but the radical is a giveaway. Also I think the zh-alt-inline should be reformatted - it is a necessary template but at the moment a little unsightly. Perhaps the zh-syn, -ant and templates like this should be reformatted as a whole and used more widely. Wyang (talk) 12:35, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

@Wyang: Yes, it is a 分化字 (詞), but I think this form, 株檽, didn't take off. I do not understand you saying "hard to judge". Just judge by citations or something else worth concideration like any other words. There, I think, is nothing special about 分化字 (詞). I think it is unnecessary to do this. Dokurrat (talk) 12:44, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

@Wyang Hmmm... How about something like this?

# (literary, obsolete) (Also 株檽) short column on the beam

Dokurrat (talk) 12:56, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

@Dokurrat Sure, I'm okay with this. It should be templatised though. Wyang (talk) 13:08, 29 April 2018 (UTC)