Talk:蝴蝶

External referencing

This entry was quoted in the article "Butterfly" words as a source of etymological confusion on Language Log in 2016. I'm glad. Wyang (talk) 07:50, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Woohoo! — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 03:43, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

@Wyang, BTW, do we also want to include alternative explanations? There were some in the comments ([1] [2]). — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 03:51, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

@Justinrleung Yes please! I can't view the first link so please add it in if you can, Justin. Wyang (talk) 11:25, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

@Wyang: I've updated the first link. I'll try to incorporate them into the etymology. Also, should we have "from Middle Chinese, from Old Chinese" anymore? The OC reconstruction seem different from what we have (Zhengzhang). — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 15:13, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

@Justinrleung Thanks! I think it's fine leaving them in the entry, as there is also explanation accompanying the reconstruction. The apostrophe in *l' in Zhengzhang is more for a notational purpose, representing a kind of *l which became d, typically under the influence of a preceding consonant (which in this case is probably *g-). Wyang (talk) 10:54, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

@Wyang, I just checked STEDT, and they've set up Proto-Sino-Tibetan *s-ljap (“lightning; flash; glitter; butterfly”) for this. 燁 and 熠 are also listed as cognates. Should we add this as well? — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 03:32, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

@Justinrleung I think it's includable - Schuessler mentions both theories in his book. Wyang (talk) 06:26, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

@Wyang: At this point, I don't really know how to add it. When you have time, could you add it, as well as the other theory by Jian Li (The rise of disyllables in old Chinese: The role of Lianmian words), which connects it to Mon-Khmer? — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 06:53, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Sure, I added it and reworded the section to some extent. Li's theory didn't seem to be convincing enough - The cited MK root was not widely attested, and I would really like to see more evidence for that theory. Wyang (talk) 08:12, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, @Wyang! — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 20:28, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Descendants

Does this entry lack this section? @Wyang, Justinrleung. Dokurrat (talk) 07:11, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I've added it. Wyang (talk) 08:10, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

@Wyang: Thanks ! Dokurrat (talk) 08:15, 22 November 2017 (UTC)