Talk:๐Œท๐‚๐‰๐Œธ๐Œฐ๐‚๐Œด๐Œน๐Œบ๐ƒ

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RFV discussion: Februaryโ€“April 2017

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Fairly sure both are unattested. โ€” Kleio (t ยท c) 04:22, 14 February 2017 (UTC)Reply

Yes, they are. ๐Œท๐‚๐‰๐Œธ๐Œฐ๐‚๐Œด๐Œน๐Œบ๐ƒ should just be deleted outright; I'll move ๐Œท๐‚๐‰๐Œธ๐ƒ to *๐Œท๐‚๐‰๐Œธ๐ƒ (*hrลรพs) since it's mentioned as a reconstruction in ๐Œท๐‚๐‰๐Œธ๐Œด๐Œน๐Œฒ๐ƒ. โ€”Aษดษขส€ (talk) 08:45, 14 February 2017 (UTC)Reply
The proper noun ๐Œท๐‚๐‰๐Œธ๐Œฐ๐‚๐Œด๐Œน๐Œบ๐ƒ is mentioned in Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/Hrลรพirฤซks, so shoudn't it be moved for the same reason why the common noun ๐Œท๐‚๐‰๐Œธ๐ƒ got moved? If there are doubts about the etymology of the Romance Rodrigo, then shouldn't ๐Œท๐‚๐‰๐Œธ๐Œฐ๐‚๐Œด๐Œน๐Œบ๐ƒ also be removed from Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/Hrลรพirฤซks, and shouldn't the removal require a proper WT:RFD discussion? -84.161.57.67 09:11, 14 February 2017 (UTC)Reply
It shouldn't have been mentioned on that reconstruction page, because it's a very unlikely reconstruction; since the first element of the compound is an i-stem, one would expect *๐Œท๐‚๐‰๐Œธ๐Œน๐‚๐Œด๐Œน๐Œบ๐ƒ (*hrลรพireiks) instead. If such an entry is to be created (an ancestor of Rodrigo - if the Spanish name is indeed of Visigothic origin - did apparently exist in some form in Gothic) it should be in the Reconstruction namespace. There's not much precedent for reconstructed Gothic names so far (I see now that recently someone did create *๐Œฐ๐Œป๐Œฐ๐‚๐Œด๐Œน๐Œบ๐ƒ (*alareiks)) but I don't see a problem with them in theory, as long as they're attested somehow in Latin/Greek transliterations and their reconstruction is unambiguous. โ€” Kleio (t ยท c) 17:36, 14 February 2017 (UTC)Reply
@Angr, CodeCat I just noticed Kรถbler has *hroรพ[s] (and its PGmc. etymon) as an a-stem noun, which would make *๐Œท๐‚๐‰๐Œธ๐Œฐ๐‚๐Œด๐Œน๐Œบ๐ƒ (*hrลรพareiks) correct here. However, that does not make sense to me, since the derived adjective ๐Œท๐‚๐‰๐Œธ๐Œด๐Œน๐Œฒ๐ƒ (hrลรพeigs) has -๐Œด๐Œน๐Œฒ๐ƒ (-eigs) (which is usually from i-stem nouns) and not the equivalent a-stem suffix -๐Œฐ๐Œฒ๐ƒ (-ags), plus we have the PGmc. term as an i-stem noun. Am I missing something here? What do y'all think? โ€” Kleio (t ยท c) 18:09, 16 February 2017 (UTC)Reply
Koebler is grasping at straws just as much as we are here, having to go off the attestations in other languages. I wouldn't put too much importance to it. โ€”CodeCat 18:20, 16 February 2017 (UTC)Reply
Fair enough I suppose. The -eigs suffix seems like a pretty clear indication of an i-stem, though. Made me wonder how Kรถbler (and his sources, presumably -- I haven't checked Holthausen yet, not sure if my library even has it) missed that. (And hroรพareiks is all over Google too - but then, the internet is generally embarrassingly bad at Gothic, so I'm not taking that as an indication of anything) โ€” Kleio (t ยท c) 18:42, 16 February 2017 (UTC)Reply