Talk:First-Class-
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RfV for the Part of Speech please.
Erste-Klasse- shouldn't be an adjective, but rather a "combining form" (that wording is used in tri-).
Also: Maybe they should be deleted like Boden-Boden.
-84.161.33.177 00:15, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, I would delete these for the same reason as "Boden-Boden". "Erste" is a word, "Klasse" is a word, and one could even argue that "Erste Klasse" was an idiomatic phrase, and that "Erste-Klasse" was its attributive form like criminal-law is the attributive form of criminal law. But in the same way that we don't have criminal-law-, we shouldn't have Erst-Klasse-. It's like "cloud-to" / "cloud-to-": it's not a word, it's either two terms ("cloud", "to") or part of a longer term ("cloud-to-ground lightning"). - -sche (discuss) 19:28, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
- Discussion moved to WT:RFD.
- Superseded and dealt with by RFD. - -sche (discuss) 07:09, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
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- Discussion moved from WT:RFV.
RfV for the Part of Speech please.
Erste-Klasse- shouldn't be an adjective, but rather a "combining form" (that wording is used in tri-).
Also: Maybe they should be deleted like Boden-Boden.
-84.161.33.177 00:15, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, I would delete these for the same reason as "Boden-Boden". "Erste" is a word, "Klasse" is a word, and one could even argue that "Erste Klasse" was an idiomatic phrase, and that "Erste-Klasse" was its attributive form like criminal-law is the attributive form of criminal law. But in the same way that we don't have criminal-law-, we shouldn't have Erst-Klasse-. It's like "cloud-to" / "cloud-to-": it's not a word, it's either two terms ("cloud", "to") or part of a longer term ("cloud-to-ground lightning"). - -sche (discuss) 19:28, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
Cf. Wiktionary:Requests for verification#First-Class-, Erste-Klasse-. -84.161.50.63 21:33, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
- Delete both IMO. Create either first class (the form the Duden lemmatizes) or First Class, and then First-Class as an attributive form of it, probably without a misleading inflection table. Possibly create erste Klasse or Erste Klasse, and a similar hyphenated attributive form. See my logic above about criminal-law-. - -sche (discuss) 23:44, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
- Wouldn't "erste Klasse" be SoP? (erste = first, and there's the meaning "most excellent".)
- Duden uses "first class", but doesn't give a gender, so it looks like an adjective. [www.wissen.de/fremdwort/first-class] even states that it is an adjective.
- If it is an adjective, then (a) "First Class" would be wrong, and (b) shouldn't it be "first class Hotel" instead of "First-Class-Hotel" (duden)? So, could it be that it isn't always viewed as an adjective?
- RfV for the part of speech, and RfD are two different things.
Similar question: Is criminal-law really a noun? Can it stand alone, like "Criminal-law is the body of law that relates to crime." instead of "Criminal law is the body of law that relates to crime." (en.wp)?
So forms like "Criminal-law" and "Erste-Klasse-" should be deleted, or the header should be changed to something else, like "Form" ("combing form", "attributive form", ...).
- -84.161.28.106 12:42, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
- Erste Klasse is as SOP or as not-SOP as first class, and we have that.
- First Class and criminal-law are attributive forms of nouns (the header for which is "Noun", much as the header for past tense forms of verbs is still "Verb"). - -sche (discuss) 07:08, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
- Moved per the above. - -sche (discuss) 07:08, 9 August 2015 (UTC)