Talk:Princess Leia
Latest comment: 13 years ago by Prince Kassad in topic Princess Leia
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There is no definition establishing this as having a definition that supersedes the character for which it is (would be?) named in the way Ming the Merciless and Flash Gordon do.
- Delete. I can find no sign that "Princess Leia" is a term with any life beyond describing a single fictional character. It does not seem that describing someone as "a bit of a Princess Leia" or a role as a "Princess Leia" role has any recognised meaning. WjBscribe 02:38, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
- That would be good grounds to vote that way. "Names of persons or places from fictional universes...shall not be included unless they are used out of context in an attributive sense." I'll try to dig up some quotes though. DAVilla 05:22, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
- Wow, strong keep. DAVilla 06:39, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
- Keep, obviously. DCDuring TALK 11:06, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Deletion debate[edit]
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Plenty of citations, and not a single one is “used attributively, with a widely understood meaning.” Every citations refers to the character and her appearance, and the definition is just as her proper name. —Michael Z. 2010-03-18 17:27 z
- I think the hair references qualify. Polarpanda 23:42, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- The hair references:
- “woman with Princess Leia braids”
- “her long black hair was coiled into two Princess Leia cinnabuns on either side of her Santa hat”
- “I’d often wear my hair up in two buns. Some of the guys jokingly called them my “devil horns” or my “Princess Leia” look”
- In these hair references Princess Leia means “Princess Leia”. It's just a plain attributive use of the proper name, referring to the character and nothing else, demonstrating no “widely understood meaning.” —Michael Z. 2010-03-18 23:57 z
- (Repeating myself) I agree in principal, but CFI is really really unclear on this. Equinox's term "generic use" is much better than "attributive use", noting that (deprecated template usage) attributive has two fairly different meanings. I proposed a draft changed to CFI on the Beer Parlor, and precisely zero people have commented. I've always wanted to change this part of CFI, butI don't consider myself a good drafter, hence I might be liable to cause as many problems as I solve (like WT:COALMINE). Mglovesfun (talk) 00:11, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- At least we agree that they are attributive... they are communicating the widely-understood meaning of a particular hairstyle. Polarpanda 00:24, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- (Repeating myself) I agree in principal, but CFI is really really unclear on this. Equinox's term "generic use" is much better than "attributive use", noting that (deprecated template usage) attributive has two fairly different meanings. I proposed a draft changed to CFI on the Beer Parlor, and precisely zero people have commented. I've always wanted to change this part of CFI, butI don't consider myself a good drafter, hence I might be liable to cause as many problems as I solve (like WT:COALMINE). Mglovesfun (talk) 00:11, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- In these hair references Princess Leia means “Princess Leia”. It's just a plain attributive use of the proper name, referring to the character and nothing else, demonstrating no “widely understood meaning.” —Michael Z. 2010-03-18 23:57 z
- The definition to be deleted says “The fictional character Princess Leia from the Star Wars series.” And, indeed, Princess Leia, attributive of a hairstyle, means a hairstyle “of Princess Leia.” Same meaning as Princess Leia look, Princess Leia Pez dispenser, Princess Leia screensaver, Princess Leia costume, etc.
- The hairstyle, being widely-known and used attributively, should be incorporated into the definition. Polarpanda 12:16, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- We're discussing deleting the sole definition, with its entry, since it lacks supporting citations per CFI. If you have a different definition, then go ahead and add it to the entry, Polarpanda – this request wouldn't affect it. If you can find three qualifying citations, then please add them to citations:Princess Leia. Thanks. —Michael Z. 2010-03-19 15:24 z
- The kind of hairstyle that Princess Leia has is encyclopaedia material, and "Princess Leia" itself (which is the term we are defining) does not on its own say anything about hair. Compare "a Marilyn Monroe dress" [1]. Equinox ◑ 12:45, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- I disagree. The braided hair buns are iconic and specific, just as John Lennon glasses and Nehru jacket are specific. However, I would agree that this kind of quote would support an entry for (deprecated template usage) Princess Leia hairstyle or (deprecated template usage) Princess Leia braids, and would not support an entry for (deprecated template usage) Princess Leia. --EncycloPetey 02:50, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. bd2412 T 19:45, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- Delete. Ƿidsiþ 08:01, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
deleted -- Prince Kassad 10:08, 10 February 2011 (UTC)