Talk:Schwanenjunges
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Tagged but not listed. — Ungoliant (falai) 15:07, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
- I don't think we currently have a German template that can handle adjective-declension nouns in German, or at least I'm not finding one. — Kleio (t · c) 15:17, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
- Are there any "clean" templates that can be used in the meantime? Mulder1982 (talk) 15:29, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
- There's a template in use at Obdachloser, but I'm not sure it works for neuters. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 21:03, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
- I added a line of code to
{{de-decl-adj+noun-n}}so we can use it for these kinds of words. Could someone check the declension now (and at Junges) to make sure it's correct (My German is not good enough for me to be 100% certain)? BigDom 09:12, 28 June 2017 (UTC)- They look right to me. I added the table to Katzenjunges as well. Perhaps we should mention that the singular strong forms of these adjectival declensions are vanishingly rare, so things like dative singular Katzenjungem may be unattested or at least very difficult to attest. The only case I can think of where the strong declension would be found is headlinese, where articles are often omitted, e.g. Flüchtling hilft Obdachlosem "Refugee helps homeless person". —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 13:28, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
- A quick Google Books search for Katzenjungem does give a few legitimate hits by the looks of it, but Katzenjunger, Schwanenjungem and Schwanenjunger only bring up our entries(!) so I think you may have a point. BigDom 14:29, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
- Wiktionary more often has rare, uncommon or unattested forms, or forms which are "vanishingly rare" and "may be unattested or at least very difficult to attest". Examples:
- gelingen - by attestation it could be 3rd person with poetic 2nd person singular only.
- Esquimensis (AFAIK it's from the 20th century) - by attestation it could be plural only. Printed Finish Nuntii Latini mentions the singular, but maybe only uses the plural, leaving the singular unattested. If there are three cites (with three cites it's attested in any case), then at least 9 cites would be missing to attest all forms.
- Vocatives of several common nouns could be unattested. How often does you speak to things like "O beautiful toilette", "O you nice shoe"?
- Only having a note for strong forms of German nouns of the adjectival declension and not for e.g. several vocatives, could make false implication. Reading that the German strong forms are rare or something but not reading that several vocatives are rare or something, could imply that the vocatives are properly attested which often isn't the case.
- Maybe it would make more sense to add a link to an explanation page into the template like in Template:de-decl-noun-langname with "(explanation of the use and meaning of the forms)". On the explanation page the forms could be explained, and there it could be noted that strong forms are less common. -84.161.54.171 19:07, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
- Having looked at the b.g.c hits for Katzenjungem, it seems the strong forms aren't as rare as I thought, so I retract my suggestion for commenting on its rarity. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 08:20, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
- Wiktionary more often has rare, uncommon or unattested forms, or forms which are "vanishingly rare" and "may be unattested or at least very difficult to attest". Examples:
- A quick Google Books search for Katzenjungem does give a few legitimate hits by the looks of it, but Katzenjunger, Schwanenjungem and Schwanenjunger only bring up our entries(!) so I think you may have a point. BigDom 14:29, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
- They look right to me. I added the table to Katzenjunges as well. Perhaps we should mention that the singular strong forms of these adjectival declensions are vanishingly rare, so things like dative singular Katzenjungem may be unattested or at least very difficult to attest. The only case I can think of where the strong declension would be found is headlinese, where articles are often omitted, e.g. Flüchtling hilft Obdachlosem "Refugee helps homeless person". —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 13:28, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
- I added a line of code to
- There's a template in use at Obdachloser, but I'm not sure it works for neuters. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 21:03, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
- Are there any "clean" templates that can be used in the meantime? Mulder1982 (talk) 15:29, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
- Has been resolved. - -sche (discuss) 20:50, 20 January 2018 (UTC)