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"A card game similar to crazy eights, played with specially printed cards.". I've played this game, and think this is a trademark name for a game, like Dungeons & Dragons or Monopoly. Can someone explain to me what is crazy eights? --Volants 08:02, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Delete as brand name. I have added an entry for crazy eights: it's rather like Uno, but played with standard cards (so you have to match rank or suit rather than rank or colour). Equinox 13:29, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
So basically if the reference has a ® or mentions Mattel, it's out? I think I can still reference it from Google Books.--Prosfilaes 13:57, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Keep; I've added three citations to the citation page, including one from a refereed journal, that use Uno without mentioning the company or treating it as a trademarked name.--Prosfilaes 14:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Keep. I don't know what the rule for trademarks are, but it seems obvious that this is a word, and, as such, that it should be kept. Generally speaking, trademarks are words, but it might be a good thing to define stricter, attestation rules (anybody can create a trademark, it's not a reason to include it automatically). The number of independent attestations required should be larger, and should exclude the trademark owner as a source. Lmaltier 15:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

See Wiktionary:Criteria for inclusion/Brand names. DAVilla 05:36, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

The only place that's linked from Criteria for inclusion is as examples. In any case, what does that mean for the citations I just added?--Prosfilaes 13:02, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
I don't think the second two (Kimberly, Bernhaupt) are ideal, but I couldn't find anything better myself. They might be okay if they require some knowledge of the way the card game is played. Likewise for the earlier (Coleman) quote I've added. In your first one (Jance), this is irrelevant. It barely matters what kind of game it is, so the text can be understood without a precise definition. That's probably true of the other (Williams) citation I added for illustrative purpose, indicative of the kind of game Uno is.
This is definitely an RFV issue, but I won't be the one to close it. DAVilla 12:42, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Kept and sent to RFV. Current citations are AFAICT insufficient per the CFI of brand names, but that can be discussed at RFV.​—msh210 (talk) 16:56, 25 October 2010 (UTC)


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(English.) Needs to meet the CFI of brand names.​—msh210 (talk) 16:58, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

There's five citations at Citations:Uno, several of them added when this was at RfD. It would be nice to know what the problem with those citations are.--Prosfilaes 04:09, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Doesn't WT:BRAND exclude citations like "the Uno card game" and "the card-game UNO", where the brand is mentioned alongside the nature of the branded product? Equinox 09:18, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Not if more information is needed to understand the quotation. That case would have to be made, however. DAVilla 22:18, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
The 2003 quote seems valid - "charming mama’s boy is playing Uno with a pack of giggly girls" - Uno might be anything. The 1999 quote says it's a game, and the other three specify it's a card game, so they don't meet the brand name citation requirements. I think two more citations are needed. Why have the WT:BRAND rules at all if they are never applied? --Makaokalani 15:32, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
I would argue that the 1999 quotation is also admissible because it does not indicate what type of game is being played, as WT:BRAND weakly suggests would be necessary. For instance, a game that required physical activity could have consequences on the girls' ability to fall asleep. One that required heavy concentration, like a learning game, would indicate that the girls were generally up fairly late. Also, although it's called an "Uno game", Uno could potentially be something other than the name of the game, such as the name of a cartoon character featured in the game. If you thought that about 2006 quote, or thought that "Uno cards" are just the ace cards, then you'd wonder if you were to "play the game" of a specific type or just make up the rules. But frankly that's a pretty weak position, and now I can't think of why I thought 2007 was lexicographically significant. Mostly it's just difficult to find quotation of such a short word without joining something on topic like game or cards in the search. DAVilla 08:10, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I've found some really good quotations using "play Uno". DAVilla 08:46, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Seems to pass on the strength of the 2003, 2007, and 2010 citations. - -sche (discuss) 19:03, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Passed. - -sche (discuss) 04:52, 6 August 2011 (UTC)