Talk:boemx

"to break (onto the ground)"

@Octahedron80, what does this definition mean (and where did you get this)? Is it supposed to be a translation of "俯伏；埋伏"? — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 18:44, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

I have the book now. See this page: [1] 埋伏 must be boemz instead. --Octahedron80 (talk) 02:24, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

@Octahedron80: Oh nice! It's interesting that they don't have the bamboo sense for boemx though (or do they on another page?). — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 03:34, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

@Octahedron80: Hmm, I'm noticing the tones that they have in the IPA seem kind of different... for boemz the tone 42 is exactly what we have for boemx. Could you maybe check other more common words to see if this might be the case? — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 03:37, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Please check intro part of the book: [2] (According to WP, Northern Zhuang dialect is considered to be the standard or prestige dialect of Zhuang.) This book has different contour comparing to w:Standard Zhuang but sample words are correctly spelled. So, I will cling to lemmas rather than (book's) readings. (Tones may vary among Zhuang dialects but they should be written (mostly) one form.) --Octahedron80 (talk) 03:45, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

About bamboo, there are many bamboo vessels that are too tired to lookup. IMO, the dictionary is not complete displaying every word; but it is worth to have many lemmas in 330 pages. --Octahedron80 (talk) 04:18, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

@Octahedron80: Thanks, the tones might be slightly different from Standard Zhuang (based on the Wuming dialect) because it might be a different dialect of Northern Zhuang or simply because of notational differences (which isn't uncommon). Does the dictionary tell you which specific dialect it's recording? (Or maybe where the Zhuang author is from?) — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 05:12, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

It said "What the dictionary phonetically noted is the speech sound of Hawyiengz." I am not sure what is Hawyiengz (e.g. person or town or region). However it describes NZ and SZ groups as well. [3] --Octahedron80 (talk) 07:47, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

@Octahedron80: I think Hawyiengz is a place in Mashan, which the authors classify as Hongshuihe Zhuang. They classify Wuming dialect as Youngbei. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 07:59, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

@Octahedron80: I just checked other sources (like Zhuang-Chinese-English Dictionary and Sawloih Cuengh-Gun) and I found that they have boemz for 摔 instead. But they probably all correct. Perhaps boemx is dialectal? — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 05:21, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

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boemx

Cannot find in the usual Zhuang sources. @Octahedron80, do you remember where you got this from? — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 06:00, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

gingj boemx loengx→google:"gingj boemx loengx"→Syntactic Patterns of Zhuang Idioms? —Suzukaze-c◇◇ 07:43, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

@Suzukaze-c: Ah, right, I forgot about this. Resolved. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 07:50, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

It will be better if we can purchase some printed Zhuang dictionaries but they are not available outside China. --Octahedron80 (talk) 13:33, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

@Octahedron80: Northern Zhuang-Chinese-Thai-English Dictionary (by the authors of the cited article) might be available in Thailand. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 20:25, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

The book was published in 2006, that means it can only be found in some university's library/bookstore. Thanks anyway. --Octahedron80 (talk) 00:23, 17 October 2019 (UTC)