Talk:lungsod

Cebuano borrowing?

@Mar vin kaiser Can't find this on Spanish-era dictionaries such as the Vocabulario de la lengua tagala, so this must be some mid-20th-century borrowing from Cebuano intended to replace siyudad, but with the semantic shift from "town" to "city" so to make it a false friend between Cebuano and Tagalog. True?--TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 07:40, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

@TagaSanPedroAko: Yup. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 09:15, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser Sources? TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 09:18, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

@TagaSanPedroAko: Panganiban lists "lungsod" as from Sb. (Cebuano) which meant "public town" in Sb. but "city" in Tagalog. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 09:29, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser: Cited, but what dictionary by Panganiban is it? 1966 Talahulugang Pilipino-Ingles or the 1973 Diksyunaryo-tesauro Pilipino-Ingles? TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 09:40, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

@TagaSanPedroAko Not coined by Daluz in 1915.

See this article here dated 1910:

https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=a9tXAAAAMAAJ&q=lungsod#v=snippet&q=lungsod&f=false

Although the "Samahan ng mga Mananagalog" may be a factor. Ysrael214 (talk) 07:38, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

@Ysrael214: So who specifically introduced that? If who can't be determined, we can just say coined by the Samahan ng mga Mananagalog.

TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 08:25, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

@TagaSanPedroAko Not sure. I only guessed the Samahan factor since they seem revolutionary in the evolution of Tagalog and Google Books give results (in Tagalog) in years when they are formed already. But I have no solid proof that it really is them who borrowed the term to Tagalog and coincidence is still a possibility but it's still sure that it's a Visayan term. Ysrael214 (talk) 13:52, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

@TagaSanPedroAko Though I don't think he coined it, he's still credited by historians here to have introduced it so okay maybe it's fine to keep?

https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=RsFwAAAAMAAJ&dq=lungsod+daluz&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=lungsod Ysrael214 (talk) 14:06, 10 March 2023 (UTC)