Talk:macrocormic

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Etymology[edit]

Why is cormic written in red instead of defined? It is from the Greek word κορμί/kormi which means body. μέτριο/métrio means average and βραχύ/vrachý means short. So, long-body, average-body and short-body.

2600:1700:6850:4750:7DBE:5972:9122:6A3F 21:16, 8 May 2023 (UTC)Reply
First of all, it would be an English entry, so having a plausible origin in another language isn't enough to justify it. Second, anatomical terminology comes from Ancient Greek, not modern Greek, so Greek κορμί (kormí) wouldn't be the origin. I can see how Ancient Greek κορμίον (kormíon) might work, since it's the diminutive of Ancient Greek κορμός (kormós) the trunk of a tree with the branches removed, and seems to also by extension sometimes refer to the trunk of the human body. Complicating this is the fact that macrocormic is said to refer not to a large trunk but to arms that are large in comparison to the trunk. We would need to see how "-cormic" is used in other compounds to understand what it really means. Chuck Entz (talk) 20:57, 16 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

RFV discussion: July–August 2023[edit]

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Rfv-sense

  1. Having long limbs in relation to trunk size.

Although this is the only sense in the entry, I decided not to do a regular rfv, because the term is definitely attested- but the definition in use seems to be the exact opposite of what we have. Etymologically, the "-cormic" part refers to trunk of the human body, so being macrocormic should mean having a long trunk, not long arms.

There's something called the "cormic index", which is explicitly defined in some references as the sitting height divided by the standing height times 100. Since having long limbs would increase the standing height without increasing the sitting height, that would result in a smaller cormic index. There are at least one or two references that refer to macrocormic individuals as having a larger cormic index (i.e. a longer trunk in comparison to the limbs) than brachycormic or metriocormic individuals.

It looks to me like @SemperBlotto found usage in the scholarly literature that clearly referred to the ratio of the length of the limbs to the trunk, but didn't take the time to figure out which was supposed to be longer than which. With only two possibilities, they flipped a coin and guessed- and ended up guessing wrong. Chuck Entz (talk) 21:49, 16 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

This source outright glosses the term as "indicating a long trunk relative to the lower extremities". Happy to call this RFV-resolved with the change in gloss. This, that and the other (talk) 10:12, 15 August 2023 (UTC)Reply