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Only used in this sense in the idiomatic combination get something over with. Not an adjective (the most over it job???).  --Lambiam 05:45, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

I think I’ve seen some show “the job is over with”. — Osbri (talk) 05:52, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
You may be right; some dictionaries have entries for over with (like Merriam-Webster). But that then suggests that get something over with is SOP; ”Let’s get the job over with“ means the same as ”Let’s get the job done“.  --Lambiam 06:29, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Maybe they are both idiomatic. I was thinking what is “with” on that phrase “over with”? — Osbri (talk) 06:58, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) The phrase "be over with" is fairly common, as in "I'll be glad when this nightmare is over with!" Chuck Entz (talk) 07:00, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
I think there's a subtle gloss, where "Let's get the job done" implies enthusiasm to complete something, and "Let's get the job over with" implies the opposite - a desire to be rid of something unpleasant. bd2412 T 01:51, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
True; the point was really that get and over with are not tied to each other but that other things can be substituted for the components of the collocation, which thereby fails an important test for being an idiomatic expression. We also have “Let's get the job done and over with” – which then, I assume expresses enthusiasm to be rid of something unpleasant :). Seriously, should we have an entry for done and over with? This can also be used to refer to s.t. already completed: “Now that the job is done and over with, we should ...”. It seems to me that this is a fixed combination, like lean and mean or well and good.  --Lambiam 08:56, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep. I think it is enough of an idiomatic phrase. Per others above, I do not agree that it is restricted to "get something over with". Per BD2412 above, I added a note that it is used especially of unpleasant things. Mihia (talk) 12:30, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
By the way, the present definition of "get something over with" is "To do something quickly and hastily; without procrastination, especially so as to have something unpleasant behind oneself". I do not particularly agree that doing something "quickly and hastily" is the main idea of this expression. It may be the case that it is done that way, but I don't think it should be the main definition. What do other people think? Mihia (talk) 17:20, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
It means as soon as possible, not as fast as possible. "Hasty" isn't right because it suggests performing the actions at high speed. Equinox 17:34, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
OK, I made a change to the definition of get something over with to reflect the above. Mihia (talk) 21:15, 16 November 2018 (UTC)