Talk:oxymoron

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Too encyclopedic. (yes, encyclopedic is a word)

Wiktionary is not an encyclopedia.

My two cents.

I'll boil all this blah down into a definition (a pair of defs, actually - the original one and the contemporary one). — Paul G 08:04, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

A "non-contradictory oxymoron" ? Really? [1]

Serious Mistake[edit]

In the "Etymology" section, the definition of moros as meaning "stupid," with its reference to the Tufts definition of oxymoron as meaning "pointedly foolish," is wrong and misleading. Moros is Greek for "dull," just as oxy is Greek for "sharp." The obvious idea is that the two adjectives are in polar opposition to each other and cannot reaonably both be predicated of one subject. One knife, for example, cannot be both sharp and dull at the same time. So, oxymoron means "sharp dull," not "pointedly foolish." This illustrates its meaning as a self-contradiction. I would like to change the information in the "Etymology" section, if it meets with Wikipedia approval.Lestrade 23:49, 20 September 2006 (UTC)Lestrade

The Wikipedia article "Oxymoron," asserted that the word meant that two contradicting terms were combined to make a point. This seemed to be an effort to support the definition as "pointedly foolish." If anyone supports that definition, I request that they give an example of being "pointedly foolish."Lestrade 12:13, 21 September 2006 (UTC)Lestrade

No Connection with Mormonism[edit]

There is no direct connection between oxymoron and the angel Moroni who allegedly appeared to Joseph Smith, Jr..Lestrade 00:32, 21 September 2006 (UTC)Lestrade

stress[edit]

In the audio file, the stress is on the first syllable, in contrast to the IPA. Which one is correct?

To my knowledge both are correct. It's a regional and dialectical difference. Neskaya 08:03, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


libelous definition[edit]

Deleted the definition relating to Rush Limbaugh as violating Wikipedia's policy on libelous material relating to living persons. —This unsigned comment was added by 71.115.5.142 (talk) at 09:29, 27 November 2007 (EST).

You could've also deleted it on the grounds that it was bullshit. --BiT 21:56, 27 November 2007 (UTC) —This deleted comment has been restored by Grolltech (talk) 00:03, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
I have deleted an anonymous pro-Limbaugh whine. I have no objection to people supporting the man. I just think they ought to take responsibility by signing their names to their opinions and their censorings.
-dlj. —This unsigned comment was added by David Lloyd-Jones (talkcontribs) at 02:14, 14 October 2015 (EST).
OK... um... @David Lloyd-Jones: I have a question... was that an example of an oxymoron that you just did there? Because you just left an unsigned comment and censored a signed comment that was absent of censorship. Well done! I see the paradox, but what's the point? I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'. Ooh! Was that an oxymoron? Face-smile.svg Seriously, though, I've taken the liberty of signing the unsigned comments, restoring the deleted one, and refactoring the indenting—all in keeping with Wiktionary policies and/or guidelines. Please check out Help:Talk pages#A few tips when you get a moment. Grolltech (talk) 00:03, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Examples - moved from main page[edit]

    • A famous example is Milton, Paradise Lost, Book 1, ll. 63-4:
      No light, but rather darkness visible
      Serv'd only to discover sights of woe
    • Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet, Act 1. Scene 1, in which Romeo utters nine oxymora in just six lines of soliloquy:
      Why then, O brawling love, O loving hate,
      O anything, from nothing first create,
      O heavy lightness! Serious vanity!
      Mis-shapen chaos of well-seeming forms,
      Feather of lead, bright smoke, cold fire, sick health,
      Still-waking sleep, that is not what it is!
      This love feel I, that feel no love in this.
    • 1892, Henry James, The Lesson of the Master.
      Above all she was natural—that was indubitable now—more natural than he had supposed at first, perhaps on account of her aesthetic drapery, which was conventionally unconventional, suggesting a tortuous spontaneity.

"Contradiction in terms" is Incorrect. Off by 180 degrees.[edit]

To say that oxymoron means contradiction in terms, or indeed contradiction of any kind, is not merely incorrect. It is very precisely incorrect. It misses the point by firing in the opposite direction.

An oxymoron constructs a new and non-contradictory meaning out of contradictory elements. The essence of the word is its non-contradictoriality.

It's easy to keep this straight in your mind with the fairly true notion "oxymoron is to contradiction as synthesis is to antithesis." If you wanted to tweak the accuracy a little, you might say that oxymorons are made out of pairs of antitheses, but you'd lose the Hegelian oom-pah-pah of the original.

-dlj. —This unsigned comment was added by David Lloyd-Jones (talkcontribs) at 02:14, 14 October 2015 (EST).

You are welcome to your own philosophical views on what constitutes an oxymoron, but that has nothing to do with a dictionary definition, which should cleave to how a word is in fact used. Note that Wiktionary is by no means alone in this; the Oxford English Dictionary has two senses, calls both "contradiction"s, and in fact uses the very phrase "contradiction in terms" for its second definition. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 06:59, 14 October 2015 (UTC)