Talk:pressurized

RFD discussion: January 2022

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pressurized

RFD-sense the adjective: Redundant, it's just the past participle. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 16:23, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

No, it isn't redundant. Reference added, often used in technical publications, and would pass RFV with flying colours. Keep. DonnanZ (talk) 22:40, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Having a reference isn't the same as proving it. How is this different from the participle? Just saying it's different doesn't make it so. Vininn126 (talk) 22:57, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

The only derived term I can find is pressurized water reactor, which is very technical. But that doesn't mean there's no more applications, bearing in mind users need a good case for SoP terms. DonnanZ (talk) 23:18, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

I also found the antonym unpressurized. DonnanZ (talk) 11:35, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Keep. Running the tests at Wiktionary:English adjectives brings up hits on Google Books (also gives a meaning that should be better documented here for UK English) and is often used right next to common adjectives, unlike the above "spiring" or "falling" examples: "very pressurized", "too pressurized", an example of "more pressurized", another example of "more pressurized", "the most pressurized", "became pressurized", etc. etc. Other past participles like opened or slept would not pass these tests at all, and so I'd consider "pressurized" an adjective in its own right. AG202 (talk) 22:09, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

opened and slept don't have an adj PoS anyway, but adjectival use of opened can be found: "an opened letter was lying on the table", hence unopened; unslept, an odd one, exists: "an unslept-in bed". DonnanZ (talk) 04:38, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

keep per the above argument. Overlordnat1 (talk) 23:30, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Here's a thought experiment for you: put an unsealed vessel inside a vacuum chamber and pump out all the air in the chamber. Seal the vessel and increase the pressure inside it until it's half the pressure of the air outside the vacuum chamber. Is it pressurized? It's had its pressure increased so it's artificially high compared its immediate surroundings, so yes, it's pressurized. Now take it out of the vacuum chamber, still sealed. Even though its internal pressure hasn't changed, it's now half the pressure of the surrounding air. By the adjective definition, it's definitely not pressurized- break the seal and it will suck in air- but nothing has been done to change the fact that it was pressurized according to the participle definition. Chuck Entz (talk) 06:54, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

@Chuck Entz: Couldn't you do that with a pure adjective like "tall", if you take a person of average height in his country of tall people, and put him in a yard full of people from a country where people are short (now he's "tall"), and then take him out of that yard and put him in a yard full of people from his own country who are tall for his country, and then stretch him on the rack until he is slightly taller than he was but still shorter than those tall people? bd2412 T 08:19, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

How is that relevant? My point was that treating this as strictly a past participle doesn't explain its stative characteristics: it has been pressurized and it hasn't been depressurized, but it's not pressurized. I included the first part to contrast with the second part and show that there are two senses here, one of which must be an adjective. Chuck Entz (talk) 08:47, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

I couldn't see how that example worked in practice, not to worry. I can now reveal that I wouldn't use this spelling anyway, only pressurised. DonnanZ (talk) 10:25, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

@Chuck Entz:, my bad, I actually thought you were making a deletion argument. bd2412 T 23:39, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks everyone for the input, I'm retracting this RFD. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 12:49, 15 January 2022 (UTC)