Talk:salumpuwit

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salumpuwit

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RFV discussion: July 2019–June 2022

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salumpuwit

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Tagalog, IP suggests that this isn't a word but a common joke. - TheDaveRoss 12:43, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

If it is used as such, also as a joke, it is entryworthy – but we should then note it is meant to be humorous. Move to RfV?  --Lambiam 10:44, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

It's not a joke. I learned it in school over there. It's not commonly used ("upuan" is more common) but it is used as a real word. — This unsigned comment was added by 387mqr (talk • contribs) at 19:12, 28 September 2020 (UTC).

Keep, maybe move to WT:RFVN or label it. --幽霊四 (talk) 10:40, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Keep, it is a recently coined word used mostly as a joke and a criticism to the excessive purism of the now-debunk Surian ng Wikang Pambansa. We can label it as such and inform readers about its past and its usage.Stricnina (talk) 14:15, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Remark. This is not a voting booth, but a request for attestations. Can you find examples in books or newspapers where the term is actually used in a sentence, like umupo siya sa salumpuwit?  --Lambiam 16:34, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

I am also of the opinion of keeping this entry, being one of the current major editors of Tagalog now in Wiktionary. I'm offering these pieces of points to argue for keeping this. Before I do, just to explain the origin of this word, this was coined as a criticism of Lope K. Santos for his use and coinage of Tagalog words.

1. This word is found in 2 published dictionaries. The 1st dictionary is Vicassan's Pilipino-English dictionary, defined by anything to support the buttocks. The 2nd dictionary is the Diksyunaryong Tagalog by Angelita G. Gonzales, Maria Lourdes S. Lim, and Lolita P. Vargas, defined as "silya; upuan", with an example sentence.
2. A simple Google search for this word shows the huge number of websites of lists made by different people as a Tagalog/Filipino word that people should use or know. So this shows that this word is well-known, albeit informal.
3. All the usage of this word in publications is using it as an example for language policy.
4. I learned this word in our Filipino class, our Filipino teacher thought that this was a traditional Tagalog word, since she said that her grandmother used to say it.
5. I'm not sure of the use of this word outside Metro Manila (this word might have become popular in use in some Tagalog provinces), but in Metro Manila, it would either be used in discussions of language policy, a humorous way to refer to a chair, or someone deliberately wanting to sound formal (perceiving this word as a sophisticated word for "chair"). --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 14:53, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

To add, I just found 2 attestations of this word, already put it in the entry. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 21:56, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Aside from the 2 attestations I found, it turns out so many Wattpad stories in Tagalog use this word. Examples include this, this, this, this, this, this, and this, among so many examples. @Lambiam, given this, can we remove the RFV tag now? --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 01:03, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I see the tag has been removed already, and although Wattpad stories are hardly “permanently recorded media”, I won’t request its restoration. The only reason I suggested RfV in the first place was to offer an alternative to outright deletion when this was posted at RFD.  --Lambiam 09:55, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

RFV-resolved This, that and the other (talk) 10:26, 29 June 2022 (UTC)