Talk:sowl

RFV discussion: October–November 2018

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sowl

All senses of etymology 1. DTLHS (talk) 17:18, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Fair enough, but perhaps in future wait till after the entry appears on WOTD? :-) — SGconlaw (talk) 18:17, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

If it can't be verified it shouldn't be featured. DTLHS (talk) 18:18, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, but it's asking a lot to expect me to verify all nominations before listing them. Sometimes it's not obvious that they are unverifiable or have other problems (for example, less-than-stellar). — SGconlaw (talk) 18:57, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Could you delay it for a month? DTLHS (talk) 18:58, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

I could relist it in February 2019 or beyond ... Scratch that – silly me, I could just swap two WOTDs in October and November, couldn't I? — SGconlaw (talk) 19:04, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

OK, sowl is now listed for WOTD on 2 December 2018. — SGconlaw (talk) 02:54, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

This is a tough one! Every time I think I found something, it turns out to be "fowl". I did find one clear quote, which I added to definition 1. Two more ambiguous quotes I added to the citations page. There's also a quote from Piers Plowman, but I didn't bother with that because its Middle English. Kiwima (talk) 22:11, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

You might have to try looking for the alternative forms. (Actually, I already included the Piers Plowman quote yesterday ...) — SGconlaw (talk) 01:40, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Hmmm, the 2011 quotation is merely a paraphrase of the 1857 one. — SGconlaw (talk) 02:54, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

As for alternate forms, the song "soul cake" is related to etymology 1. e.g.:

which also yields:

Kiwima (talk) 03:18, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Which sense of sowl would this be, though? Isn't it just soul, because the cake is given in return for the recipient praying for the soul of someone deceased? — SGconlaw (talk) 03:50, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

It is the same cultural practice of "sowling" or "souling". I suspect that the "praying for the soul" is a later addition once the original sense of the word was lost. Kiwima (talk) 04:09, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Ah, I see. — SGconlaw (talk) 05:47, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

RFV-resolved - The first sense passes, the others fail. Kiwima (talk) 21:10, 2 November 2018 (UTC)