Talk:stat whore

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graphics whore etc.

Specific to gaming, while graphics and even computer graphics are broader topics. I'm not sure if that's sufficient reason. Weak keep. DAVilla 05:43, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Relisted. DAVilla 02:31, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Kept for no consensus.--Jusjih (talk) 10:15, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

and stat whore

None of these seem idiomatic to me. What we're missing is a sense of whore that says something along the lines of "Someone who is obsessed about a particular thing." Certainly for stat whore, the part "(especially in video games) through unscrupulous or tacky means." is wrong, since the verb sense right below demonstrates a non-video games usage that doesn't use any "unscrupulous or tacky means". Other combinations are easily attestable, like grammar whore etc. -- Liliana • 06:12, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

That's true. Delete both. Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV 12:03, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Delete. I wonder about attention whore. Equinox ◑ 12:10, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Delete. These just seem like evidence for a meaning of "whore" reminiscent of the sense of (deprecated template usage) hound. DCDuring TALK 13:10, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

I have added a fourth sense at whore#Noun which extends sense three to cover this class of uses, I think. Please improve the rather stiffly worded definition and/or add additional illustrative citations. A check of COCA and BNC suggests that this is much more common in the US. The collocations at COCA in the sense in question included "snowboard", "publicity", designer "label", "fame", "attention", and "media". DCDuring TALK 13:51, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Also stats whore. Weak keep. It's not clear from just the words if this might be someone who craves stats (e.g. for sports) in great quantities. They may have no team loyalty or care more about the numbers (final scores, etc.) than the excitement of watching the game. DAVilla 05:43, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

The picture I'm getting from this term's entry is that it's used to describe: 1) people greatly concerned with statistics in video games (presumably with reaching high levels or obtaining the best equipment), and 2) people greatly concerned with the statistics (i.e. hits) that their web content generates. Thus, the term's usage seems to be limited to interest in those two specific types of statistics, as well as the sports one mentioned above, rather than applied to all types of statistics. It doesn't seem that someone obsessively following the latest polling data in this year's U.S. presidential race would be described as a "stat whore." Astral (talk) 19:34, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, the definition does not even adequately capture the breadth of actual usage.

• 2006, Wendy Atterberry with Sarah Hatter, The Very Best Weblog Writing Ever by Anyone Anywhere in the Whole Wide World‎^[1], volume 1, page 78:

  You become a stats whore. Daily stats and referrals and meme participation for webrings, quizlists, personality profiles, and the occasional sepia toned webcam photo to make you look all “emo” and “sultry” and “sensitive”

• 2009 June 22, “The Nike Experiment: How the Shoe Giant Unleashed the Power of Personal Metrics”, in Wired News‎^[2]:

  For a self-described "stat whore," there's something powerfully motivating about all the data that Nike+ collects

• 2010 March 5, “Bears bag Brandon Manumaleuna”, in ProFootballTalk‎^[3]:

  Forte had 1500 total yards from scrimmage and that line was atrocious and Cutler was a stat whore

The first seems to be an example of the Internet sense. The third is unclear, and since the Cutler being referenced is apparently a football player rather than a football fan, I'm lead to conclude that in this instance "stat whore" is being used to mean "person who generates a lot of statistics" rather than "person greatly interested in statistics." The second cite, to me, is the one that stands out as a possible example of a broader usage that doesn't neatly fall into either the gaming, Internet, or sports statistics category.

If the majority of usages fall into one of those categories, I say break the definition into three senses. Otherwise the term is probably SOP. Astral (talk) 20:58, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Per below, I think we may want to keep the noun if we keep the verb. See below (or Talk:attention whore when archived). Mglovesfun (talk) 15:37, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

graphics whore and stat whore deleted. — Ungoliant ^(Falai) 03:25, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, undeleted. Although the community may be leaning that way, I don't feel the balance has yet tipped. DAVilla 02:00, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

What exactly makes you doubt that a decision has not been reached yet? Clear statements for deletion and no clear statements in favour of the entry - except possibly by Astral who has left the project in july - and no new comments for almost four months ... what else do you need? Delete! -- Gauss (talk) 21:13, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Okay, you're right about this one so I'm going through with the deletion, which was by the way only for the sense and not the whole page. Earlier I may have actually been more concerned with the previous being swept into the same discussion, whereas apart from a few "both" votes, most of the analysis, at least, concerns stat not graphics. DAVilla 02:31, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Unstruck. -- Liliana • 05:57, 13 November 2012 (UTC) {{look}}

Kept for no consensus.--Jusjih (talk) 10:15, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Obscure pedantic comment

Some of these must have been in use before (deprecated template usage) whore took on this meaning. If, for instance, violating behavioral standards was only possible with regard to media, if (deprecated template usage) media whore was the only phrase where whore took on this sense, then we would have the full term and probably not the recently extended definition line. At one time in the past, that was true of maybe only a couple of these terms, on which the etymology of (deprecated template usage) whore in this sense relies. DAVilla 03:15, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm tired of votes with inane arguments being taken seriously. What is "obscure or pedantic" about pointing out that an argument is empty? If we don't have discussions about criteria, then we should just reduce the process to mere voting. Urban Dictionary is ahead of us on this, but we can catch up if we devote our technical resources to this and broaden the franchise.

Your argument is that one compound term must have preceded any of the others with the component "whore" having the sense exhibited in this group of term, which sense did not exist in the standalone word, and therefore at least one must have been idiomatic at some time. I would argue that evidence showing priority of a specific term would be required. Moreover I am highly skeptical that any of these relatively recent terms is a good candidate given the long usage of (deprecated template usage) whore. Facts could overcome my skepticism. DCDuring TALK 13:10, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

I am particularly skeptical because I believe that (deprecated template usage) whore has had the sense in question for a long time in the construction whore after. DCDuring TALK 13:16, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay. DAVilla 05:43, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

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stat whore

Recently failed for noun sense. Seems like verb sense doesn't offer much more. DAVilla 02:37, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Striking, duplicate nomination. Already passed. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:39, 28 January 2013 (UTC)