Talk:stoga boot
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This is a type of boot that was commonly known as a stoga. It isn't like moon boot, where the meaning doesn't reside in either part, but stoga with boot tacked on for clarity. It's perfectly ordinary to have a specific noun followed in this way by the class to which is belongs: just in footwear, you can find usage for oxford shoe, plimsoll shoe, pump shoe, loafer shoe, sneaker shoe, brogan boot, waffle stomper boot, etc. Chuck Entz (talk) 22:07, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
- I disagree. It is not stoga with boot tacked on for clarity. Rather stoga is a shortening of the original term stoga boot. In any case, "clarity" is not a reason to delete a term. We have entries for oak tree, pine tree, etc., but these can all be shortened to just "oak" and "pine". The terms are synonyms, not SOP. - Sonofcawdrey (talk) 18:45, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
- I think we can explain it like this. SOP is a case where x+y = x+y. What we have here with stoga and stoga boot is x = z and x+y = z. They are synonyms, hence x = x+y. But you need to have both entries because Wiktionary doesn't concatenate entries - like print dictionaries do. That is, you see a lot of dictionaries list, say neem tree as a variant of neem, all in the one entry, but they do record both nouns. OED for instance has entries for Wellington and Wellington boot. - Sonofcawdrey (talk) 12:02, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
- It sounds like this might pass by WT:JIFFY. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 06:45, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
- Except that there's no clear pattern in Google Books of "stoga boots" preceding "stogas". In fact, "stogas" is attested a few years earlier- but it's hard to determine whether any refer to "stoga boots" rather than "stoga shoes" ("stoga shoes" is attested earlier than "stoga boots"). There's also a reference to a boot and shoe factory that started out doing "stoga work", before diversifying. Chuck Entz (talk) 07:45, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
- stoga boots does seem to be earlier: 1830 Mechanics Press (Utica, NY) 9 Jan. 66/3: In six days they crimped and made forty-five pairs of Stoga Boots. Reminding us that although the Google Books corpus is very strong on 19thC material, it cannot be always trusted to give us the whole picture. As for stoga work from 1850 - this is a hapax (pace my last point!) which I believe this just means work on making stogas (footwear); in any case it is 1850, so two decades after earliest attestation of stoga boots. - Sonofcawdrey (talk) 02:30, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
- Except that there's no clear pattern in Google Books of "stoga boots" preceding "stogas". In fact, "stogas" is attested a few years earlier- but it's hard to determine whether any refer to "stoga boots" rather than "stoga shoes" ("stoga shoes" is attested earlier than "stoga boots"). There's also a reference to a boot and shoe factory that started out doing "stoga work", before diversifying. Chuck Entz (talk) 07:45, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
- It sounds like this might pass by WT:JIFFY. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 06:45, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
No consensus to delete. bd2412 T 15:34, 31 October 2016 (UTC)