PIE *plōtus etymology

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PIE *plōtus etymology

I'm sorry for the back and forth about this one. I was working off of the AHD of IE Roots (http://web.archive.org/web/20080627204039/http://www.bartleby.com/61/roots/IE415.html) section I.6. which lists the the lengthened o-grade of *pleu- as *plō(u)- (or *plō(w)-, as the case may be). It seems very convenient of them just to list the u/w as optional, but do you think that this is a fair explanation, particularly if we list it as *plō(w}- + -*tus?

JohnC5 (talk)21:11, 11 July 2014

The problem is that there is no established sound change that would turn -ōw- into -ō-. -ōw- was allowed as a diphthong in Proto-Indo-European, just compare *gʷṓws (cow). So the change of -ōw- to -ō- must be accounted for somehow. Furthermore, the Germanic form does not necessarily need to reflect *plōtus. The -ō- could also originate from -eh₂- or -eh₃-. In fact, M Philippa's etymological dictionary of Dutch (which I've found to be very reliable over time) mentions a root *pleh₃- as a possible source of the Germanic words.

CodeCat21:18, 11 July 2014

Ok, thanks for the input. Hopefully others will try to figure that out then. I wonder then why the AHD of IE Roots would allow that etymology in then? I had always understood it to be very reliable. Also, thank you for helping me in these early days of my Wiktionary editing.

JohnC5 (talk)21:26, 11 July 2014

Etymological dictionaries are often collections of information from various sources. They don't necessarily do any in-depth researching themselves, and may not have the know-how to judge them all. It's also possible that they just made mistakes or missed things, though. They're still human...

CodeCat21:39, 11 July 2014
 

Kroonen gives -ōw- to -ō- as regular before a hiatus. I can go through and list some examples if you want.

Confusingly, he lists the Pre-Germanic form of *flōduz as *ploh₃tús, but states it is derived from the root of *flōaną, which he gives as *plōw-, as necessary for related *flawją (ship) and *flaumaz (stream). Maybe it's a middle ground of *pleh₃-u-?

Anglom (talk)22:27, 11 July 2014

For Germanic, that might indeed apply, yes. But this is a PIE reconstruction, and I doubt there was a law for the same there.

CodeCat22:29, 11 July 2014

Yeah, sorry. It's a Germanic development, I should have specified.

Anglom (talk)22:34, 11 July 2014