User talk:Fejstkajkafski

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Recommendation

For Cyrillic script [1]. Mglovesfun (talk) 09:21, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll be sure to use that in the future. However, I'd like to point out that three of the four words that you corrected are dialectal and not present in Serbian forms of SC nor written in anything but the Roman script. I excluded the Cyrillic variant as per this part of the Serbo-Croatian writing FAQ - Care should be taken, however, not to provide the Ikavian variant in Cyrillic script, because it has and is historically been written only in Roman script.

While this doesn't explicitly mention the Kajkavian dialect, I just assumed that the guideline automatically extends to dialects/words only written in Roman script. That being said, I don't have a problem with including the Cyrillic variant, but Google doesn't show up any relevant results for those words written in Cyrillic. Fejstkajkafski (talk) 13:13, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Damn, good point. I thought the Cyrillic variants was always required. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:40, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Babel

Would you mind putting the Babel template up for what languages you speak? If some languages don't have any yet, you can use the level template to create it, I think. Bleakgh (talk) 03:11, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Kajkavian question

Hi! Can you help with WT:TR#kaj in Serbo-Croatian? —CodeCat 22:03, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Horugva

Horugva ili korugva je ili hrvatska ili kajkavska,čakavska kakva god reč,i nije poznata nikome van Hrvatske.Zašto je tako ne obeležiš?

Zabadu (talk)

Jer nisam upoznat sa jezikom iz svakog kutka ex-Yu, te ne znam rabi li se ona u drugim krajevima. Pravim manju grešku ako ne napišem da se riječ koristi samo u Hrvatskoj (gdje je ona arhaizam), nego ako kojim slučajem napišem krivo, a da je ona zabilježena i negdje drugdje. Zato postoji mogućnost editiranja kako bi se unosi nadopunili informacijama koje mogu pružiti drugi korisnici. kajkavski (talk) 11:21, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Pa ako je reč kajkavska ili čakavska onda sigurno nije poznata van Hrvatske. Zabadu (talk)

Riječ nije kajkavska/čakavska, štokavska je. kajkavski (talk) 11:39, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Onda je izuzetno retka pošto se ne može naći u većini rečnika.Prilično sam siguran da te reč ne postoji u srpskom.Ta reč mora biti obeležena ili kao retka ili arhaična ili regionalna.To nije standardna reč.Uveren sam da niko u Srbiji ne bi imao predstavu o čemu pričas ako bi rekao korugva.To se ovde zove zastava ili barjak nikako drugačije.Mislim da ne bi ni u Crnoj Gori ni Bosni. Zabadu (talk)

Takođe se nadam da ćeš se složiti da je ugorak veoma retka reč i ako nemaš ništa protiv ja ću je kao takvu i obeležiti

Frend

Why do you delete my contributions?The word is very rare.Very minor ,it is also probably some Croatian slang too.I mean you can delete my mark but that won't really change the fact the word is rare,almost non-existant in Serbia,and isn't used by people 30 years or above.It's not good that you're fooling strangers.

It is not good that you are so Croat-cenric.I will remind you that 10 million Serbs,half million Montenegrins and 3 million Bosniaks would consider this word very very minor.And Croatia is not the center of the Serbo-croat speaking region.I will remind you that language is called Serbo-croatian not Croatian.And Croatian speakers make only 1/4(1/3 max) of all Serbo-Croat speaking population.

Voleo bih da mi odgovoriš i nadam se da si uvideo svoju grešku.Razmisli malo,pa ćeš shvatiti da sam u pravu,pa ćeš zato nadam se vratiti oznaku rare kao što si vratio oznaku Croatia.Hvala

Zabadu (talk)

If you think all Croatian terms should be marked as rare, consult an administrator and enforce it across the entire site. I really don't have time to debate nationalists. kajkavski (talk) 16:10, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Well I guess you're are right.Maybe we should mark Croatian words as minor and rare,because technically they are.Or make a separate Croatian language. Zabadu (talk)

kajkavska akcentuacija

Znaš što o njoj? :) Bilo bi kul imati sve one kajkavizme transkribirano u IPA... Nekako mi se čini protuprirodan blud svaki put kad nakelemim novoštokavske naglaske u odsječcima za izgovor. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 13:46, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

{{sh-decl-noun-fem-a}}

I was orphaning and deleting some Serbo-Croatian declension templates created eons ago for testing purposes, and noticed this one that you created relatively recently. The problem with SC inflection is that it's too complex and there are too many exception and corner cases (think about stuff as animacy, consonant changes due to iotations, palatalizations etc., accents, -ov-/-ev- and -j- infixes etc.) to be easily automatible. There are a few hundred different patterns that would be nightmare to encode in code and use properly. By far the easiest way would be to simply add inflections manually, which is for a native speaker some 15-20 seconds of work by copy/pasting the word stem.

Particular concern are accents, which should in theory be provided for every inflected form. In some future we plan to add those as well, probably in a semi-automated fashion, tagging the word into appropriate accentual class (listed in grammar books, and whose patterns need to be first created as Wiktionary appendices). Given that accents are basically pseudo-randomly distributed in Serbo-Croatian, by taking them in consideration the effort of encoding inflectional patterns in templates becomes an order of magnitude more difficult job, even with straightforward classes like that covered by this template.

Now, feminine nouns that do undergo inflection by this template have lots of regularity. I have no problems with you or anyone else using this particular template to save some typing. However, I would like to eventually orphan them all through fully-provided inflectional tables that add additional value (accents, and dual/alternative forms in genitive plural in -a/-i come to mind). I hope you don't mind me doing that :) Cheers! --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 17:07, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't mind it at all, for the most part it was just a test. Oh and thanks for adding the pronunciation as well as accents on some of the entries I created. Fejstkajkafski (talk) 13:08, 14 July 2013 (UTC)