User talk:Hercule

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If you do create a couple of entries that are not properly formatted, someone will be glad to clean up after you. But if you do it repeatedly, you might get blocked as a temporary measure to give you a chance to read ELE.

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  • Entry titles are case-sensitive and do not have their first letters capitalized unless, like proper nouns, they are ordinarily capitalized. So we have mercury for the substance and Mercury for the planet and the god. (We do not use parentheses in titles: there's no Mercury (planet).)
  • We just want definitions of words, not long-winded explanations worthy of Wikipedia.
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I hope you enjoy editing Wiktionary! If you have any questions, then see the help pages, add a question to one of the discussion rooms or ask me on my talk page.

I've blocked user:HerculeBot because it was an an unapproved bot making edits that violate our norms, specifically "fixing" interwikis and headers that were fine before the edits, and not fine after. By all means continue making (good) edits from this account.​—msh210 18:17, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

I was just making test edits, to see if I could help on wiktionary sites. But I have seen it's quite difficult because of the case sensitive names.
I didn't requested bot status yet because it was just a test (on few pages). I updated manually the interwikis because the target don't seem correct to me. If I did wrong please tell me what I don't understand :p
Could you please unblock my bot ? I don't think I'll run on wiktionary projets. If finally I decide to run I'll apply for bot status.
--Hercule 16:26, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
The target page's name must match the local page's name. This is just how we do it. If the target Wiktionary wants to treat that page as a redirect, then the user who follows the interwiki link will wind up at a different page, but there's nothing wrong with that. You should really read up on the local policies here, linked to above, before you re-modify a page you had already modified when you see that your first edit was reverted.​—msh210 16:33, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
I would unblock the bot if it won't edit — but then there's no reason to unblock it. Unless you can provide one? (As I said, you're most welcome to make (good) edits yourself.)​—msh210 16:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
My bot won't edit here. I think I start to understand how you work, but I won't use it on wiktionary for now.
I would like the bot to be unlocked because I hate block logs on my global status check ;)
I don't understand why you blocked if because it was unapproved, while your process indicates "do a test run (under the bot account) on some 10-100 entries until you're certain everything goes well." I did test edits that were not revelant, that's all. If one day I decide to apply here, should I apply before making any edit ?
--Hercule 16:46, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
I wouldn't have blocked it had it been making reasonable edits. There's nothing wrong with a bot account's being blocked (you can always edit from your main account), so no harm done in blocking it, and the block prevents it from making further (bad) edits. (That is, of course, the point of the block: to prevent editing. Not to attach stigma or anything.) Since you don't like the block, though, and won't be using the bot, I'll be glad to unblock it.​—msh210 16:51, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Grrr, another term I misunderstand : reasonable is different from raisonnable !
Thanks --Hercule 16:57, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


Please see WT:Links#Interwiki_links. Thanks!​—msh210 16:23, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

What I understand is that redirects should be removed. No? --Hercule 16:28, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
For Hand see la page with name Hand and ru page with name Hand
For onna see pt page with name onna
--Hercule 16:32, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
No. Why should they?​—msh210 16:33, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
That what I understand when I read "The name of the link and the name of the page on which the link appears should always be identical.". Ok, my english must be too poor. Sorry.
Could you unblock my bot please ?
--Hercule 16:36, 20 January 2010 (UTC)