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speedy delete[edit]

Hi! Welcome. You only want to help with the Norwegian stuff? Then you'll have a lot of work to do. :-) Seriously, though, we would deeply appreciate any amount of aid you are able to provide.

I noticed your comment on Talk:engelsk asking if we have a speedy delete function. We don't - sorry. For this "talk" page, I just erased everything (although I don't think I was really supposed to do that). If you find something that is tosh just label it {{rfd}} for "request for deletion" and and in the "comment" section say something like, "RFD'd - this is absolute rubbish" and some administrator will come along, double-check and just get rid of it. If you're here long enough, they might even start skipping the "double-check" step and just trust you.

I also noticed you left a comment on the Talk:Bokmål page. That's way above my head and I hope someone will come along and help you with it. But I can't think of anyone else right off hand who's Norwegian around here, so if you think it's wrong, please feel free to edit it yourself. Two things: The Talk pages are often not monitored that well - there are too many of them, so please feel free to stop by the Beer Parlour and ask. That page is monitored more regularly. Finally, you can sign your posts automatically using four tildes (~~~~).


--Stranger 20:51, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your nice welcome, Stranger. I'll try to stay active here, but I might turn inactive for some periods of time. =) Jon Harald Søby 15:49, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
We'll welcome anything you can give us. See yah 'round. Cheers! --Stranger 15:56, 8 September 2005 (UTC)


Would you take a look at this word, please? I think we're only supposed to have one language heading, like "==English==" or "==Norwegian==" This just doesn't look right to me. Thanks! --Stranger 23:03, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Done. Norwegian is a bit complicated however, as it has two different (official) variations – see w:Norwegian for the full story. This one is the bokmål word, while the nynorsk word is omsetjing. Perhaps they should be separated? I don't know. Jon Harald Søby 16:05, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I did notice that Norsk had two different variations. Something like "regular" US English and "Southern" English? :-)
Actually, Dijan had a similar problem with Bosian. You might want to talk with him/her.
I'm not sure if you know how to do this, though. To leave a message on someone's talk page, click on their name - that will bring you to their User Page. To leave them a message, go to their Discussion page and click the "+" sign.
(I've been monitoring Recent Changes, so I know when you leave messages for me on your user page, but many people don't do this. It's better to leave messages on their user page - even for me.)
Thanks for all your work! Cheers, --Stranger 17:53, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
No problem. =) I know the system about posting on user's talk pages in reply, but I'm too lazy to do that everything. If I had asked something that was crucial for me to know, I would have notified you tomorrow if I hadn't got a reply here yet. Jon Harald Søby 18:10, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
I guess you are. I just noticed that you're an admin on the Norsk Wikt - or did you just enter that? :-) Cheers, --Stranger 18:13, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
I just put that in, together with the laziness part. =D Jon Harald Søby 18:14, 9 September 2005 (UTC)


This one is in even worse shape. Thanks for anything you are able to provide. Cheers, --Stranger 04:21, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Done. I'm wondering about one thing, are tenses of regular verbs to have their own articles? soper is also the regular present tense of sopeJon Harald Søby 16:05, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
I know nothing about Norsk, but I can tell you that Wiktionary has the ambitious goal of "all words, all languages". This means, for English, that act gets and entry, acted should have it's own entry, so should: acts and acting. From time to time I will enter "acted, past tense of act", but there are more "important" words for me to work on.
I guess my advice is: concentrate on the "base" word and worry about the conjugations and inflections later. BUT, the most important thing is for you to enter what you want, as much as you want. Know that whatever you have time to enter is appreciated.
Thanks for cleaning up this soper mess. Cheers, --Stranger 17:57, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
Okay, I understand. Thanks. =) Jon Harald Søby 18:10, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Noun templates[edit]

Thanks for tabulating the noun templates when you added the Norwegian ones. They look nice and tidy now! — Paul G 08:51, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I figured it should be systemized a bit for more languages… Jon Harald Søby 18:57, 7 October 2005 (UTC)


Polish? SemperBlotto 13:39, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Oops. I though {{pl}} would give pl. Obviously not. Jon Harald Søby 14:07, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

prettytable for rhymes[edit]

Hi, thanks for cleaning up the rhymes table for /æ/. Unfortunately it has a completely different look now from the other pages. The examples are meant to be centred. Could you sort this out, please? Perhaps a new table template is necessary, or you could just roll it back to how it was before.

By the way, "plural" is always written out in full in Wiktionary and never abbreviated to "pl", whatever you might have seen on some pages. — Paul G

Okay, fixed. Now, for how to fix it on other pages – if you wish to do that – just copy the table, paste it into the top box here, copy the contents of the bottom box in, replace everyhting after the {| with <nowii>class="wikitable"</nowiki>, place <center> on the line before the table begins, and </center> on the line after. It's really simple.
As for "pl"; I have usually used the style that was already on the page when editing, untill I've learned what the standards are – I only used "pl" because it was there from earlier. But I've got used to the standards now, so I don't use it any more. Jon Harald Søby 14:39, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi, thanks very much - this looks much better than the format I had been using, is easier to edit and takes up less space. I'm going to use it on the other pages too. Sorry if I sounded annoyed when I posted before - it looked as though someone had messed things up. — Paul G 11:53, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
No problem. =) Jon Harald Søby 14:09, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Speedy deletions[edit]

Hi Jon, well there are two things that you could do . . .

1) a) create a template b) create a Category c} advertize the template d) persuade all sysops to look at the category from time to time

2) Apply to be a sysop - then you have the ability to delete on sight (if anyone objects, they can always be undeleted)

I would recommend the second option (but you could always do both). Cheers. SemperBlotto|Talk 16:29, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Four dashes[edit]

I think you can argue that most people want the extra lines removed, I am going to start. Gerard Foley 21:04, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

I would really like to see the discussion continued, with the added remark that we have two questions: 1. Do we want the extra line to show up (in every skin)? 2. Do we need it in WikiText, as opposed to in CSS (in the skin)? I had also started this discussion a few days ago, without knowing about this discussion, but didn't get the same amount of response you got. -- Pbb 20:19, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Bokmål and Nynorsk[edit]

Hi Jon. I just noticed this comment of yours on the Beer parlour under another topic:

... but revision of the Norwegian stuff (difference between Bokmål and Nynorsk is sorely needed – so far I have only used the Bokmål variants under the ==Norwegian== header, which is technically incorrect) ...

I wondered what you had in mind since you feel this is incorrect. Although I'm sure that Bokmål-only and Nynorsk-only dictionaries exist, every Norwegian-English dictionary I've ever seen includes both Bokmål and Nynorsk in one volume and indicates in every entry in which of the two, or often both, the term is correct in. I think this is exactly what we should do on Wiktionary. Kind of like we do with US vs British/Commonwealth English, but there is a good case for always marking every term with one of: (Bokmål), (Nynorsk), or (Bokmål and Nynorsk). This way we always know that unmarked terms are ones which need attention rather than ones which are acceptable in both Bokmål and Nynorsk. — Hippietrail 17:12, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Unlike BrE and AmE, Nynorsk and Bokmål are technically separated – Bokmål has the ISO code nb, while Nynorsk has nn. The differences are however mostly in the systems. All singular noun -er endings in Bokmål end in -ar in Nynorsk. Small difference, but it multiplies the number of entries needed here. The header ==Norwegian== could be used on a good deal of places, but ==Norwegian (Bokmål)== and ==Norwegian (Nynorsk)== would also be needed. Perhaps a project page or something could be set up, where it could be discussed how to do those things. Though I don't know if anyone other than me is interested in it… Jon Harald Søby 07:04, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't believe ISO is an authority on what are languages, dialects, varieties etc. They have been criticized many times. Their aims are more practical and with an aim also of trying not to upset anybody. I would take the tradition of Norwegian dictionaries as something more sound to use as a base for emulation. I am against using any ==Foo (Bar)== for any languages. Note that we have a discussion underway about ==Spanish (Castilian)== where the parenthesised part even has a different meaning to your proposed ==Norwegian (Bokmål)==.
I'm in favour of a project page as we have for Chinese and Japanese, and some other languages I think. I'm definitely interested though obviously no expert.
One other point, you seem to have a typo above. I can't tell whether "ystems" should be "systems" or "stems". Keep up the good work! — Hippietrail 18:27, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
I meant "systems". One possibility on the entries, could be to use a header like =={{Norwegian Bokmål}}==; if a template is used there – I know it isn't ordinary custom here – we could have an asterix linking to the project page, explaining the differences between Bokmål and Nynorsk, and also info on how it is solved here. Anyways, I'll make a project page about it, with suggestions on different ways to solve this. Jon Harald Søby 20:03, 2 December 2005 (UTC)


You're five days early! SemperBlotto 17:20, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I'll add it to the translations section of happy birthday then then… ;-) Jon Harald Søby 17:22, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[edit]

I wasn't aware one didn't use language templates here. However, they do work prefectly. Is there any particular reason for avoiding them? Cl

The reason they should be avoided, is that it makes it virtually impossible to sort things in alphabetical order. A good example is "{{zh}}" that should be categorized as "Chinese", but if you use the template name, it would be in the very end. As for why they are here, I don't really know, but I guess they were put in early on, before there was a clear policy on the matter… Jon Harald Søby 17:09, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

hurtig svar[edit]

Hi, what's wrong with the word, and what is the right idiomatic one for "quick reply" in Norwegian? I'm sorry if it was the mistake. --Tohru 12:40, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't see "quick reply" as being idiomatic… it is a reply that comes quickly, a quick reply. (And don't be sorry; better to do something that is undone than regret not having done it! ;-)) Jon Harald Søby 12:43, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
I feel relieved as it was not wrong, but just not so idiomatic. Anyway thank you for the correction! --Tohru 12:54, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Beer parlour[edit]

Thanks for archiving the old material in the Beer Parlour. I was wondering when someone was going to do that. :-) Eclecticology 01:44, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Me too. But I got tired of waiting. ;-) Jon Harald Søby 08:03, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks from me too, the page was getting very long! Gerard Foley 08:44, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Admin status[edit]

I've accelerated your admin status. I was waiting until there were 10 people to express themselves in favour, but there is need to deal with a current sockpuppet problem. Eclecticology 10:31, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much! =) Jon Harald Søby 14:44, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Welcome! SemperBlotto 14:50, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, Semper. =) Jon Harald Søby 14:54, 17 January 2006 (UTC)


This one is using a variety of sockpuppets and is even using one to put welcome messages on the User talk page of the others. Blocking any one of these "users" won't solve any problems at all. As a steward you may find it easier to use Check User to find and block this fellow's IP number to clean out the sockpuppet nest. Thanks. Eclecticology 10:31, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I'll check it. Jon Harald Søby 14:44, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
The IP of that user has also made the users A92839028490238 and User:Stop vandalizing exicornt, SemperBlotto (blocked the first one). I don't know if blocking the IP would be any good; I'm pretty sure they are using an open proxy or something, as their IPs are different every time. Jon Harald Søby 15:02, 17 January 2006 (UTC)