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Hi, thanks for adding these translations which are genuinely good; however on an editing note, Latin verbs should be under the first person (sto) not the infinitive (stare) and reflexive verbs needs to be entered separately (llamar, llamarse and not llamar(se) as that's never going to get an article here). Mglovesfun (talk) 15:33, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Re Latin: OK, this reduces my work by 50%. As I add new words in Latin I will use the 1st person only and I will also change any existing entries that are in the infinitive. Also noted for reflexive verbs.

P.S. Have corrected all the Latin translations that I worked on to the 1st person. This has the advantage of avoiding confusion with the many identical Italian entries, e.g. "volare". I also corrected Spanish "caer(se)" to "caer", "caerse".

FWIW you don't have to save every time you add a translation; you can save several at once by just keeping add them, and only doing 'save changes' when happy. Mglovesfun (talk) 14:35, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. I'll try to improve my technique. I just changed Latin "pellere" to "pello". Also for "to wipe", the current English definition is : "removing surface substance". Shouldn't this be changed to: "To remove surface substance" (as in other definitions such as: "wash": "To clean with water", or "sew": "To use a needle") ?

The list of words I am using is the Swadesh List, but not for Glottochronology or even for Lexicostatistics, but rather as a core of basic words (to which I have added a few, as I will explain - possibly in the Discussion section of the article on Swadesh Lists - when I finish entering the entire list).

I also intend to do some etymological work on these series and I find that the Wictionary table is a useful tool for this, as I can click on the entries in the various languages for fuller explanations.

Once all this has been done (I have no set time limits), I intend to repeat the process with other word lists of increasing length up to the equivalent of the "Français fondamental" list.

Updates: I have removed from the "translations to be checked" sections all the words included in my lists, which - E&OE - I have checked. The Occitan word for "to burn" "cremar" is correct, cf. Catalan "cremar". I have left other words such as Italian "pilotare" meaning "to fly a plane", as they don't come within the scope of my Swadesh core vocabulary.

I added the (missing) translations for the Romance languages for "To rub" = "To move one object while maintaining contact with another object over some area". I also converted the Latin to the first person and inverted the order (because "tergeo" or "tergo" is more "to wipe" than "to rub"). I also successfully created a "Translations" section for "to rub".


I this edit, you correctly added a Latin translations, but incorrectly added a back-tranlsation into English. We don't include back-translations in Translation tables. The meaning of the non-English word will be explained in the entry for that non-English word. --EncycloPetey 15:30, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

OK, will correct and avoid adding explanations in future. Done.

adding translations[edit]

Thanks for adding these, but you have been adding some incorrect translations. We ask that contributors add translations only for languages they speak or have studied sufficiently. For cut, you added a Galician translation of incidir, but that is not what that verb means in Galician. It means to "relapse, recur". --EncycloPetey 17:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, according to my source, "Cumio, Diccionario Avanzado Español Galego" (1054 pages), "incidir" in Galician coincides exactly with "incidir" in Spanish (and by extension with "incisar" in Portuguese).

I understand Galician fairly well, as I am married to a person from Galicia. I assumed that as the Wictionary is a self-correcting system that it was better to add words that possibly need to be changed rather than to leave blank spaces. This is precisely what I was doing: filling in blank spaces on the basis of the information I have.

Spanish: incidir2. (Del lat. incidĕre). 1. tr. Cortar, romper, hendir. 4. tr. Med. Hacer una incisión o cortadura.

Portuguese: incisar v. tr. Fazer incisão em.

Cumio: 'incidir' (es) = (gl) incidir (the Cumio dictionary, which is quite hefty, gives no indication that the Galician word does not coincide in all senses with the Spanish word).

More: Diccionario Gallego-Castellano, Castellano-Gallego - Beatriz García Turnes, Carme González Bueno, María Álvarez de la Granja - 2001 - 988 pages ... 1 incidir (en un error) incidir. 2 (influir) incidir. 3 (en una superficie) incidir. 4 recalcar, facer fincapé. ...

An example of “incidir” (gl) in the sense of “to cut” into a surface:

En caso de infección do quiste é preferible usar antibióticos e diferir a intervención para cando estea curado. E se hai unha apertura espontánea do quiste debemos incidir e drenarlo, ... In English, “... we must cut (perform an incision) and drain it, ...”

This comes from a surgical textbook from the University of Vigo.

Again: According to my sources "relapse, recur", not only in Galician, but also in Catalan, Spanish and Portuguese, is not "incidir" but "reincidir".

For example, my Portuguese-English dictionary (Porto) gives the following translations: "Reincidir" = to relapse; to backslide; to fall back into (vice, crime, sin, error, etc.).

My Catalan (F. De B. Moll) and Galician (Cumio) dictionaries simply indicate "reincidir" as equivalent to the same word in Spanish:

reincidir. 1. intr. Volver a caer o incurrir en un error, falta o delito (which corresponds more or less to the translation given in the Pt dictionary).

At this point, as I checked all my entries against these same sources, I am even more curious to read any other incorrect translations that I may have added, as you said: "you have been adding some incorrect translations".

Also, on the basis of the above evidence, can I reinstate "incidir" as a possible translation in Galician for "to perform an incision" (after "cortar" = to cut) ?

New: As further and definitive proof that "incidir" in Galician ALSO means "to cut" ("to perform an incision"), I submit this link to the Galician language Wictionary:

So I think it should be re-instated as a legitimate translation of "to cut" ("to perform an incision"), whatever else it may mean (this verb has 3 or 4 meanings, as already discussed).

I am still awaiting feedback on any other "incorrect" entries that I may have made so that I can correct the lists I am working on, which is important for me. Thank you.