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Enjoy your stay at Wiktionary! ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 10:13, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Gender and plurals in Dutch

Hey, thanks for your work updating gender parameters. However, for the names of some works like Hebreeën that are morphologically plural, given the gender as plural seems like a bad idea, because no fluent speaker would say "!Hebreeën hebben ook nog twee attestaties van dit gebruik". In the case of Moerdijk, the article het doesn't seem to be used. Make sure to go by what's actually attested. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 10:13, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Hey, thanks a lot for your feedback! I based the gender on [section], as I thought this implied my usage was considered to be a Wiktionary convention. My mistake – I should've checked a few similar words to verify this assumption. As for Moerdijk: Cities and towns are, save for a few exceptions, always used as neuter nouns in the standard language, e.g. "Het Moerdijk dat wij kennen is voorgoed veranderd." Is it required to always base contributions solely on attestations, even if the usage can be accurately extrapolated? Thanks! Wicketd (talk) 11:06, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

The template guide is entirely valid, but it does not really provide any policy on when to use plural or another parameter for proper nouns of creative works; that's effectively decided by attestation. The most important policy page on Dutch gender is WT:ANL#Gender by the way.

Regarding place names, it's true that they generally are neuter but there are some exceptions. If any one gender is directly attested, only the attested one should go there unless there are overwhelming reasons to disregard the attestation. Moerdijk is an odd case because there is influence from the physical Moerdijk and the expressions boven/beneden de Moerdijk.

Also, I saw that your edit to defaitistisch was correct in that defaitistischer is attested, but be careful that the headword template and declension template agree with one another and that output like defaitistischt is avoided. :) ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 19:29, 25 June 2021 (UTC)