Talk:female penis

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female penis

I request attestation showing that "female penis" means "clitoris". This will be a bit tricky. A sentence saying "clitoris is a female penis" does not do for attestation, IMHO, as it is really just saying that "clitoris is a female analogue of penis", for some analogy. Furthermore, even if someone refers to clitoris as "female penis" without mentioning the word "clitoris" in the same sentence, this could be quite readily seen as sum of parts, but again, not as a penis that is female but as a female analogue of penis. --Dan Polansky (talk) 19:05, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

I'd say the current citation is definitely no good, it just says that guy thought he'd found a female penis (but was wrong). Mglovesfun (talk) 17:51, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

No, it's rubbish. The clitoris has very little in common with the penis anatomically or functionally. There are some hits on a Google book search, but they seem to be either mentions or sum of parts. SemperBlotto (talk) 18:18, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

As for relationship between penis and clitoris, there is W:Clitoris#Clitoral and penile similarities and differences. Some sources seem to claim homology between penis and clitoris, including http://facstaff.unca.edu/cnicolay/BIO108/108-11-sex-evol.pdf. --Dan Polansky (talk) 19:19, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

The penis (or at least the glans) and the clitoris develop from the same embryonic structures, and so they are essentially different versions of the same thing. So, yes, the clitoris can technically be thought of as a "female penis" to some degree. Actually, it'd be more accurate to describe the penis as a "male clitoris," since the embryonic starting point for both sexes is femalelike (chromosomal males congenitally insensitive to the male hormones that cause the differentiation of sex organs will end up with partially or fully feminized genitalia).

Whether people actually use the phrase "female penis" to refer clitorises is another matter. -Cloudcuckoolander (formerly Astral) (talk) 02:07, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

I wonder whether the pseudopenis of the female Spotted Hyena counts. —Catsidhe ^{(verba, facta)} 07:25, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Failed. — Ungoliant ^(Falai) 13:10, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

RFD discussion

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female penis

I have sent this to RFV, but I realized that the attesting quotations are going to be sum of parts. Hence this RFD nomination. They are going to be sum of parts, as "female penis" is naturally read as "female analogue of male penis", which is a sum-of-parts phrase. It is so even if the reader does not know what the female analogue of male penis is. --Dan Polansky (talk) 19:08, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Regarding "I realized that the attesting quotations are going to be sum of parts" that sounds a bit like WT:CRYSTAL to me. I think this should be 'adjourned' to use the legalistic word until the RFV is finished. If it fails then obviously this debate will be totally redundant. Mglovesfun (talk) 09:29, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

• Outcome: RFD who-cares: deleted via RFV. Can be archived to nowhere, IMHO, since the actual work was done by RFV. --Dan Polansky (talk) 10:01, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

RFV 2

female penis

This failed RFV before; now there are quotations in the entry, which I have copied to Citations:female penis. The quotations are inadequate, IMHO. First, the quotation "The correct anatomical term to describe [...] is the female penis." is a mention; any quotation of the form "The correct term for X is Y" is a mention of Y, while it is use of X. The second quotation actually uses the term "miniature female penis" to refer to clitoris, not "female penis"; it becomes apparent if you try to substitude, and get "miniature clitoris", which was not intended; in any case, it is a one-off metaphor and not the use of the term "female penis" to refer to clitoris before clitoris was introduced to the context. As for the third quotation, substitution again clarifies what is going on: In "The female penis is something that physically disrupts the idea that men and women have sex because they were built to fit together", this is really an abbreviation of The [idea of clitoris being a] female penis ..."; substitution yields nonsense: "The clitoris is something that physically disrupts the idea that men and women have sex because they were built to fit together". I motion to speedy delete as unattested term that failed RFV before until the author adds acceptable quotations to Citations:female penis. --Dan Polansky (talk) 20:24, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

I have added two more cites; not sure how acceptable they are but they do allude to the clitoris. Zeggazo (talk) 08:24, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

• As for "I stroked each side of her labia majora [...] before homing back on what had, by now, swollen to become her female penis with it's familiar Germanic helmet—albeit in miniature—which I now rolled around between my thumb and fore-finger": That is a one-off metaphor not using "female penis" to refer to clitoris; the sentence indicates that only after it has swollen has the clitoris become "her female penis", immediately continuing the metaphor with "familiar Germanic helmet", which does not attest "Germanic helmet" to refer to a part of clitoris. Also notice the word "become"; if "female penis" would mean clitoris, the sentence would suggest that clitoris has become clitoris, a nonsense. --Dan Polansky (talk) 06:48, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

• I agree with Dan Polansky about the inadequacy of the quotations; of the five currently at Citations:female penis, I think that only one ("...flails on the floor after having had her female penis savagely torn from her body...") supports the definition in the entry. —Mr. Granger (talk • contribs) 19:59, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

RFV failed: citations do not appear to substantiate the putative sense adequately. Equinox ◑ 01:38, 7 May 2015 (UTC)