I appreciate the reasons behind removing the "may be done for various reasons ..." disclaimer, and I would do the same for most terms. I put it in this definition because "hacker" and associated terms are a bit contentions: many in the computing community consider "unethical hacking" an oxymoron, but broader usage does not agree. I wanted to be clear that "hack into" can carry both senses. I'm not sure what the best approach is here. Perhaps the (carefully chosen) examples are sufficient. -dmh 14:11, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
The example for the first sense is wrong. The idiom in the example is probably "into pieces". In "hack into (something)", has a partly adverbial sense in the way it is attached the verb "hack". In "hack (something) into (pieces)" the "into" is more tightly bound to "pieces" than to "hack". A correct example would be something like "He hacked into the tree with an axe". But anyway this isn't even idiomatic so we should note that somehow though I guess we do need it here to show that the transparent sense is more basic than the "cracking" sense. — Hippietrail 14:31, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- I wouldn't quite say it's wrong — you see just such constructions all the time in recipe books — but it's certainly graceless, and that particular construction is only seen in places like recipe books. The usage I'm trying to capture is exactly the "hack (something) into (some kind of smaller parts)". This is gramatically quite different from "hack into (a system)", but unfortunately I don't know where else to file it except under hack into, given that hack into exists at all.
- It's really just a particular case of using into to denote the end result of a process. Other examples turn into stone, carve into a figurine, mold into a sphere, of which I'd say only "turn into" is worth separate mention, again because it has other senses. The general pattern should be mentioned under into. For the nonce, I'll put in a less artificial example which still keeps "hack into" together, realizing that this is misleading. Suggestions for improvement are most welcome -dmh 14:44, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC).