User talk:幻光尘

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Enjoy your stay at Wiktionary! Ultimateria (talk) 07:01, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Proto cognates

Hello [name unpronounceable],

I've noticed you're adding a lot of cognates to proto forms. I appreciate that you appear to be interested in how languages are related. However, your additions that I've looked at are problematic on various levels.

• Stating authoritatively that "Cognate to Y" with no references provided.
  • If you have any references, please add them. Even then, "Probably cognate with" is preferred wording, especially for proto-language reconstructions.
• Choosing the wrong part of speech.
  • For instance, you suggest that Proto-Turkic *kara is cognate with Korean 검정 (geomjeong). However, 검정 (geomjeong) is a compound. The etymon (root) is 검— (geom-).
• Stating that a given proto term is cognate to wildly different language families, with no known mechanism for such a relationship.
  • Your edit at Proto-Japonic *namita adds a claim to Mongolic in addition to the previous Kra-Dai, an extremely unlikely assertion given the geography, known history, and the phonetics of the Mongolic terms.
• Stating cognacy relationships that are phonetically inexplicable.
  • In addition to Proto-Japonic *namita, your edit at Proto-Japonic *monki and your edit at Proto-Japonic *kumo add purported cognates that cannot be explained by known sound-shift patterns.

Please stop adding such cognates.

TIA, ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 19:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

OK.I will carefully find out the source of vocabulary.

幻光尘 (talk) 01:08, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Nivkh диф

Thank you for adding some Nivkh words recentlyǃ However, диф is not another word for "language"; it is rather a form of the already-covered word тиф with consonant alternation. You see it in the term ниӿоӈ диф because the /ŋ/ at the end of ниӿоӈ changes a following voiceless stop into its corresponding voiced stop. I have nominated the page for deletion. Alternatively it could be redirected to тиф or listed as a lenited form of тиф, much like theanga is for Irish and Scottish Gaelic, for example. Dylanvt (talk) 17:37, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Northern Altai

Hi 幻光尘, You have made several changes to Bashkir Etymologies, changing Southern Altai to Northern Altai. First of all, can you please share your Northern Altai dictionary with me? Borovi4ok (talk) 08:50, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Hanja entries for Jeju

Hello. Do you have any evidence of hanja being used in written Jeju? I would like to see actual attested usages of hanja being used to write down the Jeju language. If you come across hanja bracketed after a dictionary headword or hanja written on a roadsign these do not count as an attestation because we need actual sentences containing hanja in the Jeju language.

Also, the term "Sino-Jeju" does not exist in literature. It is highly unlikely for Jeju words to have the exact same pronunciation as modern Sino-Korean readings because sound changes occurred from Middle Korean to modern Korean, e.g. 셰〯 (Yale: syey) to 세 (se) for 世.

If you are not able to find examples of hanja being used in written Jeju, then please do not create hanja entries for Jeju. For your information, the older exonym for Jeju was 탐라 (tamna) (transcribed as 聃羅,耽羅) while 제주 (濟州, jeju) is a more recent borrowing from Korean. If you are not familiar with the language you are advised not to create entries that are not recorded in any Jeju dictionaries. KevinUp (talk) 21:44, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

• Thank you for your question. First I won't create a vocabulary that doesn't exist, then, I have some Jeju vocabulary that I got here, including Chinese loanwords（Some words are hanja eumhun, pay attention to look hangeul.）: wikisource:ko:제주어 표기법

幻光尘 (talk) 00:09, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. According to the document at Korean Wikisource, Jeju orthography is written using Hangeul. May I know the source for 세졔 (seje) and 世界#Jeju? The sound change from ㄱ (g) to ㅈ (j) in the second syllable does not make sense. Yes, there are Chinese loanwords in Jeju but those are not written using hanja. KevinUp (talk) 02:08, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• Jeju used Chinese characters before, but now rarely used. (because South Korea abolished Chinese characters in the 1970s.)

幻光尘 (talk) 08:55, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunately I have yet to come across Chinese characters being used to write the Jeju language. A signboard or roadsign with the characters 濟州 written on it does not count. I am interested to see a letter, newspaper or historical manuscript with mixed hanja/hangeul used for the Jeju language. Do you have any proof of what you said?

Also, as of 2019, hanja is not totally abolished in South Korea. They are still used in academic publications such as PHD theses where hanja is used alongside hangeul without bracketed readings.

Finally, may I know the source for 세졔 (seje)? If the entry you created was a mistake, please use {{d}} so that an admin can delete the page. KevinUp (talk) 11:22, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• Because the number of people using Jeju is decreasing, and the use of Hangeul in South Korea is promoted, the use of Chinese characters cannot be seen. In addition, on its information page (Category:Jeju language) , one of the marked writing systems is Chinese characters. Also, I found out that the word "세졔" is a typo. The original word is "세제" and the source is "중화인민공화국" on the Jeju Wikimedia Incubator (Wp/jje).

幻光尘 (talk) 14:51, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry but this is not how it works. Please read WT:ATTEST in detail to understand what is the criteria of inclusion for creating new entries. For your information, Wiktionary records historical usages of words as well. However, if you can't find proof of hanja being used historically in the Jeju language, then the hanja entries for Jeju will be removed.

Regarding the word 세제 (seje), is the Jeju Wikimedia Incubator your only source for the word? I am not able to find that word in any Jeju dictionaries. Please read WT:ATTEST. It is not a good idea to take words from Wikipedia. Also, you need at least three independent quotations of that word, otherwise I'll have to tag that entry for deletion. KevinUp (talk) 18:59, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• Before the birth of Hangeul, all countries on the Korean peninsula used Chinese characters, included Tamna. If you don't believe it, you can go to Wikipedia or other related websites to see it. If you still don't believe it, you can even ask the administrator to delete the Jeju information "Hanja".

幻光尘 (talk) 22:51, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes, Chinese characters were used before the invention of Hangeul. However, texts were written mainly in Classical Chinese, not Korean or Jeju. Some works were written using the Idu script, but that is beyond the scope of this discussion. KevinUp (talk) 00:40, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

• Well, because the evidence is not sufficient, I will temporarily stop editing the Jeju Chinese characters. If you want to know Jeju has used Chinese characters in modern times, you may ask the locals or look at the relevant documents (but the literature is maybe a bit difficult to find, I have recently Check out the documents related to Jeju language)

幻光尘 (talk) 01:42, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Slavic entries

Hi,

Please don’t make Slavic entries. You don’t know about genders and you’re getting them wrong. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 00:45, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your changes, I will check them in the future. 幻光尘 (talk) 02:03, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Transliteration of Kazakh

You may as well pay attention to the transliteration of Kazakh between Perso-Arabic and Cyrillic scripts. A couple of edits made by you are wrong: "о" and "ө" are equivalent to "و" while "ұ" and "ү" are equivalent to "ۇ". The word "жаңйұ" should be a mistake, because it never exists in any Cyrillic texts.

Vtgnoq7238rmqco (talk) 16:08, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your reminder. The "لىمون" was verified to be a typo (and the spelling is Uyghur), and the "لىمون" Kazakh interpretation has been transferred to "ليمون". 幻光尘 (talk) 16:14, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Variety of Min Nan

Hi, I see that you have put Min Nan as one of your native languages. I was wondering which variety you are a native speaker of. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 17:43, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm Xiamen people, speak Hokkien. 幻光尘 (talk) 03:05, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Please refrain from adding other varieties of Hokkien unless you're basing it on some source. I've picked up on quite a few errors in your edits. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 04:18, 28 January 2022 (UTC)