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October 2014[edit]

Block capitals[edit]

Whenever a form asks me to fill it out in block capitals... I always wonder what other sort of capitals there are. Anyone? Renard Migrant (talk) 12:52, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

If our definition of block capital is correct, then typed capitals wouldn't be block capitals. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 17:24, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
I suppose it's to encourage clear, unambiguous lettering, as opposed to cursive capitals. Keith the Koala (talk) 11:04, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Block letters (known as printscript, manuscript, print writing or ball and stick in academics) are a sans-serif (or "gothic") style of writing Latin script in which the letters are individual glyphs, with no joining. ...
On official forms, one is often asked to "please print". This is because cursive handwriting is harder to read, and the glyphs are joined so they do not fit neatly into separate boxes.
--Thnidu (talk) 23:55, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Created entries[edit]

How can I find a list of new entries that a particular user has created? Zeggazo (talk) 22:26, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Go to Special:Contributions, enter their user name, and check the "Only show edits that are page creations" box. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 07:13, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Looking for a word.[edit]

The word would mean something along the lines of "someone who is sexually/emotionally attracted to shy or socially awkward people." I'm also looking for a word that means something like "a female who has a mother-like role in a relationship". Rædi Stædi Yæti {-skriv til mig-} 15:17, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

I am not even sure such a word exists, but even if you find it, you will be probably better off not using it, as I think it would be likely to be very obscure or slang. (Unless I am missing some obvious one.) Eschew obfuscation and all that. Keφr 06:07, 6 October 2014 (UTC)


Neutral, geographical (short-form) name - which is aplicable in general meaning- cannot be translated by transient political name with limited use Czechia is a correct common geographical name. It is commonly used in academic and scholar circles and in media. It is not still widespread, but the using of the word has been increased and the name was registered in 1993 in the UN list of countries. The short form name of the Czech state should be used, because it is politically neutral, capable to denominate the country in timeless (historical) meaning. The use in common language is not important in that direction. More, to ask for deletion of its equivalents in multiple languages, where that form is COMMONLY used contradicts demonstrably the truth. Above all, to ask for the deletion of universally applicable correct name is shortsighted, because using only politcal name limits Czech state only to the period from 1993 until now, which is clumsy and confusing, becuase history of Czechia is more than 1100 years old. Such a request can be done only by somebody, who is not able to realize or understand real importance of short form (geographical, informal) name of the country in general context. So, the request is nonsensical and totally unpractical, complicating clear description of the Czech state with absurd necessity to dividing and separating periods in Wikipedia articles, as is proved e.g. by Music of Czech lands / Music o the Czech Republic (and many others), however it is music of one country. This "Czech" issue is only one among all traditional countries in Europe, without comprehension of necessity to denominate the country by the name, which is able to be applicated in general, thus, to simplify and generalize the use, which is helpful and comprehensible for everybody, who is not (for obvious reasons) informed about political and formal changes in the country (similarly to many other European countries). The Czech state cannot be described as "the Czech Republic" not only because it is INCORRECT in itself, but also because resulting in generating of errors, from which can be chosen one of the most absurd here (taken from English Wikipedia): http://s1203.photobucket.com/user/JanBlanicky/media/Bo1590ivoj.jpg.html ("Bořivoj I, Duke of Bohemia, born in the Czech Republic" !!! ) and many other similar nonsenses.

The request of mr.Polansky is not only in the direction against the orientation of recipient and writer of articles in Czech section of Wikipedia, but also against the recommendation of the Ministry of Foreign affairs of the Czech Republic from 1998 (http://s1203.photobucket.com/user/JanBlanicky/media/MZV1998.jpg.html). Links (detailed explanations info): 1) http://www.czech-this.net/articles.php?req=read&article_id=111 2) http://czechia-initiative.com/czechia_name.html 3) https://www.facebook.com/CzechiaCZ


This is Wiktionary, not Wikipedia. This is not the place to discuss suggested page moves at Wikipedia. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 17:09, 4 October 2014 (UTC)


Mmm! I'm going to a do - that is - an event. I need to write the plural in a text message. What is the plural? Is it dos, doos, do's or what? And this meaning of do seems to be missing. Bob Brown

It's dos, and this meaning is the first meaning listed under do#Noun. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 20:41, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Regarding 2014 Wiktionary Word Archive[edit]

To whom it may concern,

I am a regular visitor to the Wiktionary. However as many of you might have observed by now, the word-of-the-day archive has not been populated since January 2014.

The editors are requested to look into the matter and do the needful.


Hi. Could someone please be so good as to unprotect (semi-protect, whatever) Template:es-conj-er? There's a bit of work to do on it to bring it in line with other similar templates, you see. Thanks. --Type56op9 (talk) 09:01, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Unprotected. (Why was it even protected in the first place? It does not even have a hundred transclusions.) Keφr 09:10, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
Lovely. And Template:es-conj-ir too, ta. --Type56op9 (talk) 10:22, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
Lowered to semi (170 transclusions). Keφr 10:40, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Need help with adding the plural to a noun[edit]

I want to add a plural form to the Wauja noun amunaun. So I imagine it would look like this: amunaun (plural amunaunaun). I tried copying the format used by the English site for one of its noun plurals (goose/geese). This is what I tried: Template:wau-noun It didn't work. Apparently I need a template? Would be grateful for some advice. Thanks. 22:35, 25 October 2014 (UTC). The page I am trying to add the plural to is here: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/amunaun Emi-Ireland (talk) 22:36, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

{{wau-noun}} won't work until there's actually something at Template:wau-noun (curly brackets are for templates). Using the {{head}} template, the unnamed parameters (named ones such as g= or tr= don't count) after the language code and the part of speech category are for inflected forms, with the odd-numbered parameter for the name of the form, and the even-numbered for the form itself. You'll see that I put "plural" in the 3rd parameter position and amunaunaun in the 4th. Chuck Entz (talk) 23:54, 25 October 2014 (UTC) thank you! Emi-Ireland (talk) 00:04, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

what are the pros and cons of editorial anonymity[edit]

I don't understand what editorial anonymity means to find the pro and cons.

can some one explain it to me to I understand —This unsigned comment was added by (talk) at 01:23, 28 October 2014 (UTC).

editorial + anonymity? Keφr 08:32, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

November 2014[edit]

Could someone please capitalize the title on the "subjunctive" page?[edit]

Could someone please capitalize the title on the "subjunctive" page? I don't know how, but it bothers me makes Wikipedia look bad and un-professional. —This unsigned comment was added by (talk) at 22:32, 4 November 2014 (UTC).

This is Wiktionary, not Wikipedia. Because this is a dictionary, the difference between capital letters and lower-case letters is very important, so polish and Polish are two different pages, and subjunctive has a lower-case letter because it isn't normally capitalized. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 23:23, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Unfortunately, for some reason, the Latin Wiktionary decides to keep its pages capitalized when they are not normally capitalized and decides to put things like (en) at the end of their article titles to clarify the language. God, that pisses the hell out of me. No offense to Latin Wiktionarians, but I just hate that idea. The reason I don't like that is because if we do that, then it's harder to put those pages into interwiki links. It's a nightmare for me to look at a page like that with no interwiki links when it really needs them. Rædi Stædi Yæti {-skriv til mig-} 01:36, 9 November 2014 (UTC)


I have a question about a word. I specifically would like to know the history of this word. I am doing an essay on this word as a punishment. here is the word - SKANK. I know it's a derogatory word but I need to know some history, or a place to start my search on it's history. —This unsigned comment was added by (talk) at 22:19, 7 November 2014 (UTC).

How do French Judaists spell Dieu?[edit]

--Romanophile (talk) 09:08, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

According to G-d#Translations, it's D.ieu, which is confirmed by [1] and [2], while [3] indicates an alternative form D-ieu. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 22:04, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Red link at Category:Ancient Greek language[edit]

Hello, I'm not an expert here, so I was wondering why there is a red link inside the box at Category:Ancient Greek language. The ancient Greek Wiktionary was deleted or it never started? (I am sorry, I have not learnt how to properly put wikilinks inside a text yet) Nikolas (talk) 22:24, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure there's never been an Ancient Greek Wiktionary, and I'm pretty sure there will never be one. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 23:48, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
How can you be sure that there will never be one? Are you a psychic? :D Nikolas (talk) 00:37, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
The rules have been tightened up considerably regarding Wikimedia wikis in dead languages since the Latin and the Old English wiktionaries were started, and they're unlikely ever to be relaxed again enough to allow creation of a new one such as this. The main problem is that there are no terms in such a language for modern places, institutions, concepts, etc., which means that new ones have to be created- and those would be really terms in a conlang based on the original language, not in the language itself. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:25, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Actually, the main problem—indeed the main reason why no more Wikimedia projects in extinct languages will be approved—is that there are no native speakers to form the basis of the community of editors. It is now a requirement that a language have native speakers in order for it to have its own Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikibooks, etc. Exceptions are sometimes given for Wikisource and Wikiquote, since those projects present previously published information rather than original writing. However, even then, extinct languages are often incorporated into the Wikisources and Wikiquotes of their modern descendants, so Old English source material is hosted at English Wikisource and Ancient Greek source material is hosted at Greek Wikisource, and so on. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 11:12, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
What about A Greek-English Lexicon (this version), it could be expanded, the past editions of the Liddell-Scott are in the public domain nowadays. .Nikolas (talk) 22:25, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Of course we can have as many Ancient Greek words here at English Wiktionary as we want. But there isn't going to be a Wiktionary with definitions written in Ancient Greek and with Ancient Greek as the interface language. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 22:45, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Sure, I agree with that, thumbs up, but can someone please rework the infobox that is the main concern of my 1st message? I have no idea, and no time at the moment, on how to do that, but if you write down some relevant shortcuts, I could quickly learn and edit it . :)Nikolas (talk) 07:47, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

correcting entry and adding quotation to page randon[edit]

First time wanting to edit a page here, and I've come up with a complex task that is way beyond me at the moment, so I'm wondering if someone would like to adopt it.

On the page randon there is currently a quotation from Spenser that is misplaced in the Noun section. It needs to be removed (a pity) or moved to the Adjective section, which needs then to be created.

I have a quotation that does belong in the noun section. It is from Halley, and I suspect (but don't know) that in the short (again, I suspect ...) period between the beginning of scientific ballistics and this word becoming obsolete (likewise, I think, the word 'random' used in this sense) it is therefore an important and valuable quotation.

"half the Parameter is the greatest Randon, and that that happens at the Elevation of 45 Degrees"

A Discourse concerning Gravity, and its Properties, wherein the Descent of Heavy Bodies, and the Motion of Projects is briefly, but fully handled: Together with the Solution of a Problem of great Use in Gunnery. By E. Halley.

Miscellanea Curiosa, Vol. I, 2nd Edition, 1708 p.316

(An ebook version is in preparation for Project Gutenberg.) --Alkhowarizmi (talk) 03:57, 10 November 2014 (UTC)


I realize these words are not in the dictionary. So what best describes the act of ovalizing, say "ovalizing" a hole during manufacturing, or oblonging, "oblonging" a round object by placing it in a press. I know once the object has been deformed, per se, it is oblong. Please advise. Thanks!

Using Template:suffix without categorization?[edit]

It used to be that one could use {{suffix}} with lang=- to keep it from adding a category in cases where the suffixation occurred in a language other than that of the entry. Is there any way to do this now, and if not, why not?

I'm asking this because I'm not quite sure how to get rid of bogus categories such as Category:Middle English words suffixed with -k, which contains only the English term crash- but no Middle English terms at all.

The template can be useful for formatting in etymologies, which makes replacing it in cases like this a bit of a pain. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:04, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Use nocat=1. lang=- doesn't work because if it did, then the template could no longer format the text and the link correctly. Even if it's not supposed to add a category, it should still know the language. —CodeCat 02:16, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
I've added this to the documentation for {{suffix}}, {{prefix}} and {{confix}}, so I won't be asking this again in six months. Feel free to improve on my efforts- they're just a first draft. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:20, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Unexpected Initial Accent in Southern (US) Nouns[edit]

This is a phenomenon I've always found curious, but I hadn't really considered just how unusual it was until I saw the reaction of someone who wasn't aware of it at all (diff).

It consists of certain words that are accented on the second syllable elsewhere, but instead are accented on the first syllable in Southern English. It's not just that the first syllable is accented, though. The second syllable retains a strong secondary accent, to the point that it sounds like the first syllable is a separate word, and the second syllable retains its full, unreduced pronunciation. The first syllable is also lengthened quite a bit, but I'm not sure if that's separate from the strong stress.

The examples that will no doubt be most familiar are guitar (/ˈɡɪːˌtɑɹ/) and police (/ˈpoːʊˌliːs/), but w:Southern English also lists behind (/ˈbiːˌhaɪnd/),cement (/siːˌmɛnt/), Detroit(/ˈdiːˌtrɔɪt/), display (/ˈdɪːsˌpleɪ/), hotel (/ˈhoːʊˌtɛl/), insurance (/ˈɪːnˌʃəɹɨns/), July (/ˈd͡ʒʊːˌlaɪ/), motel (/ˈmoːʊˌtɛl/), recycle (/ˈriːˌsaɪkəl/), TV (/ˈtiːˌviː/) and umbrella (/ˈʌːmˌbɹɛlə/). A couple more examples that come to mind are Arab (/ˈeːɪˌɹæb/) and Italian (/ˈaːɪˌtæljən/). I've also caught myself doing this with a word or two like default (/dɪˈfɑːɫt/), but I'm not Southern and I'm not sure where I picked it up.

I'm curious as to whether anyone has ever studied this, and whether anyone knows more about it, especially whether there's a pattern to which words have it and how far beyond the Deep South it extends. Chuck Entz (talk) 07:05, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

After moving from New York to St. Louis, I've noticed people here say insurance with initial stress (I'm used to penultimate) and likewise for some words that are both nouns and verbs, but used as nouns, though I can't htink at the moment which ones. I don't know whether that's an extension of the same accent in that respect. Does Southern display (which you list) have initial stress for the verb and noun, or which?​—msh210 (talk) 19:45, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
It may be on the edge of the South, but Missouri is still a Southern state. I have no specific knowledge about the verb sense of display, but the general pattern is for the noun to have the initial accent, while the verb (if there is one) is the way it is everywhere else (recycle seems to be the exception). I'm wondering if it started out as a way to insure clarity in some strata of unfamiliar but frequently-used words. You'll note that behind is the only one in the list that goes back to Old English, and it was no doubt an uncommon word pressed into service as a euphemism. All of the above is just speculation, which is why I was hoping there was something about it in the literature. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:07, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

wherefore Lazarus, not Elazarus[edit]

Why did אלעזר become Λάζαρος (Lázaros) with no initial (glottal stop or) vowel? Does Ancient Greek not allow initial vowels or something?​—msh210 (talk) 19:37, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

This would be better at the Etymology scriptorum. As to substance: The etymology at Lazarus is missing details. You'll find ‏אֶלְעָזָר in the Hebrew scriptures as Ελεαζαρ (Eleazar) / Eleazar, but the name in the New Testament which gave rise to the modern name is from ‏לַעְזָר, which is itself derived from אלעזר. Chuck Entz (talk) 14:53, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Ah, thanks!​—msh210 (talk) 06:04, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


--Supersonic414-On Wikia 13:52, 18 November 2014 (UTC) Hello! I just want to ask how to reply to peoples post! —This unsigned comment was added by Supersonic414 (talkcontribs) at 13:52, 18 November 2014 (UTC).

  • Click an [edit] link, put an appropriate number of :s or *s under someone else's post, type your reply, ~~~~ and submit. Keφr 14:03, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Thank you for the help. --Supersonic414-On Wikia 14:06, 18 November 2014 (UTC) —This unsigned comment was added by Supersonic414 (talkcontribs) at 14:06, 18 November 2014 (UTC).
    • You forgot the ~~~~. Keφr 14:07, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Pop-Culture Words?[edit]

Hello all, I wanted to ask, should pop-culture terms be here? This is a dictionary for pretty much everything, but really, should media terms be here? It's not that I have anything against them, but it would help if there was, say, a specific portal that led to any, if not all, terms caused by the internet, IM slang, pop culture references, etc. Of course, if this is already handled,then disregard this message.

Thanks Muaadth on fire (talk) 17:34, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Internet slang is in plenty of mainstream dictionaries (though not to the same extent — yet!). Being Internet-based and freely editable, we tend to get more of it, and earlier. You can search by "Internet slang" category at the bottom of these entries, to narrow it down. Equinox 21:08, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Phrase "stand pat" question[edit]

I always have know about the general usage of this phrase as a poker term, and as an expression of firm resolve. I don't have the resources to look deeper into the origin of the second word, but wondered if it could be derived from "patent" as in "letters patent", suggesting a proven right to occupy a place or position. Betsinoregon (talk) 20:59, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

I imagine it's the adverb pat#Adverb. Equinox 21:09, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Request for deletion[edit]

I couldn't get templates {{RQ:Mlry MrtArthrP1}} and {{RQ:Mlry MrtArthrP2}} to work properly, though the code worked alright when I shortened their names. Would someone please delete these two templates or tell me how to do it. — ReidAA (talk) 11:23, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

I've deleted them both since you have gotten {{RQ:Mlry MArthrP1}} and {{RQ:Mlry MArthrP2}} to work. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 15:48, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks very much. — ReidAA (talk) 22:07, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Asexual Definitions Ordered Incorrectly?[edit]

Why is the new colloquial definition (post 2000), which is not only a misnomer but also misuse of the term (nonsexual is a word that already meant that, and far less confusingly), listed as first and second? Especially when there is a concrete scientific definition for the term. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/asexual --Mr.BloopBloop (talk) 20:23, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Sense 1 is not post-2000; here is an example from a book published in 1979. Also, nonsexual doesn't mean "not experiencing sexual attraction", and since "not experiencing sexual attraction" is probably currently the most common meaning of asexual outside of biology, using it this way is neither exclusively colloquial, nor a misnomer, nor a misuse of the term. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 20:35, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

In regards to my original question, I'm still wondering why it was ordered the way it was. I don't know the policy, and in my mind it seems logical to keep the most solid, longest currently used, concrete definitions at the top. In reference to the reply, the wiktionary page only gives post 2000 quotes, and the link you sent was in German. Not sure if that translates, or how that would work since this is not the German version. So I'm a little confused by that admittedly. Asexual is a common term in biology and as such I suspect it is used far more often, though in different circles. Though we are ultimately both speculating on that point. No way to tell, but it's still absolutely the current term for that meaning in biology. At the very least it has been written in more professional contexts, over a much longer period. Furthermore, as defined elsewhere, e.g wikipedia, the definition is actually more fluid. IE some asexuals can experience sexual attraction, which is why it frustrates me. A definition is put forward, and then it's basically picked apart until it doesn't mean anything remotely like the original definition. The only consistent element is some level of disinterest, ie the definition of nonsexual. Everything else is conditional. Finally it's semantic to say nonsexual doesn't mean that, and then assert asexual does when it was just an arbitrary decision someone made. The first person to do so did it in error, or colloquially by definition. That and it's only time and repetition that renders a word not colloquial; and since it's in direct conflict with the original meaning, the construction of the word (etymology), and it's concrete scientific definition (which can't be said of nonsexual), I'd say it is misuse (rampant as it is). In the context for the original meaning all humans are by definition sexual, it's a characteristic of our species, not an aspect of an individuals identity or sexual orientation which varies by birth. Though none of this really matters since deliberate misuse is how language works, and evolves, but that is essentially what has been done.--Mr.BloopBloop (talk) 21:25, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

The citation I gave wasn't in German, though I did link it through books.google.de. Try this link: [4]. We don't have a policy on how to order senses; some people are in favor of putting the oldest sense first (even if it's now obsolete), other people are in favor of putting the oldest non-obsolete sense first, other people are in favor of putting the currently most commonly used sense first, other people just add senses at the bottom as they think of them. The reason I said that nonsexual doesn't mean "not experiencing sexual attraction" is simply that as far as I knew, the word isn't used that way; however, I have now found this book that does use nonsexual with that meaning, so I take it back. But nonsexual is still much less common in this sense than asexual is. Saying that things are an "error" or "misuse" makes sense only within a prescriptive context (and we aren't a prescriptive dictionary) or with regard to actual real-world usage (and since asexual is very widely used to mean "not experiencing sexual attraction", it isn't an error or a misuse to use it that way). It isn't "an arbitrary decision someone made", it's the way the language evolved. You might as well call it "an arbitrary decision someone made" that silly now means "foolish" instead of "blessed" as it originally did. No one consciously made that decision, the language just evolved that way. It's true that our definition could use some tweaking, as you point out, since asexuality doesn't necessary entail a complete lack of any sexual attraction, but can also include a simple lack of interest in sex. I really don't see that the biological and sociological meanings are in any direct conflict, though; amoebas and bacteria are just as uninterested in sex as any person who identifies as asexual. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 21:45, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
I would also prefer to see the biology sense placed first. Equinox 13:28, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
I have no objection to that. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 21:51, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

AquaStretch References[edit]

I'm trying to provide references for the new word AquaStretch using the following links and the editor won't let me save them.

<URLs redacted>

Is this word actually used by English speakers? Is it a brand name? If the answer to the first is no, or the answer to the second is yes, then it can't be included on Wiktionary. —CodeCat 23:28, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
(edit conflict) First of all, this is a descriptive dictionary based on usage, and our Criteria for inclusion don't count non-durably-archived websites as evidence of usage. Besides, this is trademarked, and identified as such in your references, so it doesn't meet WT:BRAND. The only way we would include it is if people were using it in ways that didn't match the trademarked meaning. This would require evidence of independent usage in at least three durably-archived sources, of which Google Books has exactly one. If you're connected with the trademark-owner, bear in mind that the kind of usage to make it a valid Wiktionary entry is exactly the sort that could endanger the trademark (see w:Generic trademark. I'm not a lawyer, so you can take that with a grain of salt). Chuck Entz (talk) 00:06, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
You're a spammer; get the hell out; did you only post those links here in a fake "question" so that your links would be on a page? Equinox 03:14, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
I don't think search-engine spam was their goal, and I think they really thought it was some technical glitch that kept them from posting the links, but I've now removed the URLs just to avoid giving them an undeserved boost. I deleted the entry (after they posted here), but it wasn't especially promotional in tone without the URLs. I would put them somewhere in the wide gray area between spamming scum and ethically-clueless self-promoter. Chuck Entz (talk) 04:03, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Request for deletion[edit]

Hi, could you delete the entry of "αντέξα" ( http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B1%CE%BD%CF%84%CE%AD%CE%BE%CE%B1 ) as this form does not exist. Instead "άντεξα" (note the accent mark) is the correct "First-person singular, simple past form of αντέχω". (I already added the entry for "άντεξα".) 21:21, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

You can request speedy deletion by putting {{delete}} on a page with your reason. In this case, Yes check.svg done. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 21:38, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

RQ: Melville Moby-Dick Template[edit]

This template is now frozen. However it needs to be able to be used without a parameter so that it can be used on a quotation that hasn't yet been narrowed down to a chapter, as is the case with most of the existing Moby-Dick quotations. Furthermore, M-B has very many chapters and this deters people who use Wikisource from trying to narrow down a quotation's chapter. The code is very simple, as will be seen for example in Template:RQ:Bronte_Wuthering. Could this be fixed, please. — ReidAA (talk) 09:17, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

I notice that Moby-Dick is entered into Category:Quotation_reference_templates but not into Wiktionary:Quotations/Templates. Should I go ahead and put it in there? Incidentally, I notice that there doesn't seem to be any way to put a new template into Category:Quotation_reference_templates. Am I blind to an Edit button somewhere there? — ReidAA (talk) 09:59, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

December 2014[edit]

How to add a category[edit]

I'm not a new user but I can't see where else this would fit. I added the names of musical notes in Persian (دو, ر, می, فا, سل, لا and سی), and I added them to 'Category:fa:Musical notes'. However, I can't see how to add a new category (musical notes) to the tree. According to Template:topic cat/documentation, it should explained be at Module:category tree/topic cat, but I think I don't really understand it. Could anyone add this category for me? Thanks. Kaixinguo (talk) 12:38, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Finnish declensions[edit]

I'm just an occasional user of Wiktionary. Today I looked up word suurempi and I believe I found an error. I would have corrected it, but the declension stuff seems to work with some automatic macros/templates/patterns (whatever they are called) so I'm not sure where the correction should go.

The page says suurempi is declined like vanhempi, which is fine. However, it also says that there is no gradation. Unfortunately gradation is not hyperlinked, but I guess it can only mean consonant gradation. My Finnish lessons are many years in the past, but I don't think there is any other gradation (of course I never learned these terms in English, but I guess we are talking about astevaihtelu here).

As page Appendix:Finnish_nominal_inflection/vanhempi correctly explains on the lower half of the page KOTUS type 16 does obey consonant gradation mp --> mm. Still the inflection pattern in the upper half says "no gradation".

How would that be fixed or am I missing something here? --U1106 (talk) 16:18, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

All the vanhempi-type words have the mp-mm gradation "built in" so to say. So that may be why it says no gradation; it's technically redundant to the type. But I agree this is somewhat confusing. @Hekaheka: Do you think we should show gradations that are built into certain inflection patterns? —CodeCat 16:38, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
I think that we should show the gradation. In this declension class the gradation is always mp->mm, but "no gradation" is not right as user U1106 points out. --Hekaheka (talk) 18:00, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Ok, I fixed it now. Apparently I had already made it so it shows gradations that are implied in the type, but in this one case I had made a mistake and it didn't work. —CodeCat 18:17, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Jijay : Please remove this word from wiktionary[edit]

Hi Admin,

People are having name as "Jijay". your meaning of the name in the wiktionary is "heart breaking". So can you please remove this word from your wiktionary.

The same word will have different meaning in the different languages. So, please remove this word from your wiktionary.

I hope you understand the feeling of the people. Remember that " The man's name is to him the sweetest and most important sound in any language".

Thanks and regards, For the benefit of the people, who have this name.

Wiktionary is not censored. If words are used, we document them. That's our primary goal. —CodeCat 02:08, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Yes, however, that entry does by coincidence need some serious cleaning. I marked it as RFC. Rædi Stædi Yæti {-skriv til mig-} 05:21, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Auxiliary verb for "anfangen"[edit]

On English wiktionary, it is claimed that both "haben" and "sein" could be the auxiliary verb for "anfangen" (presumably context dependent). However German wiktionary lists only "haben". If both can be used, could German wiktinoary be updated? Or, if only "haben" works, and Duden seems to say this ("starkes Verb; Perfektbildung mit »hat«"), English wiktionary should be fixed? I'd fix it myself, but for things like these I don't trust my low level of German. :) --Hugovdm (talk) 23:13, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi, i can tell you it's just "haben". Example: "Ich habe angefangen" not "Ich bin angefangen". Maybe in Bavarian, but i am not from Bavaria. - Master of Contributions (talk) 23:23, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
I don't think even people who say "Ich bin gestanden" and "Ich bin gesessen" say "Ich bin angefangen". I'm sure it's just a mistake in the template. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 11:47, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Having read the usage note, I take that back. Apparently it's nonstandard usage found in some parts of Germany. If de-wikt doesn't have it, that'll be because they're much more prescriptive than we are. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 11:49, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! The differences (between de-wikt and en-wikt policies and guidelines) are good to know about. (I make use of both, together with Duden of course.) --Hugovdm (talk) 00:03, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

paDava=boat; but not poDava as mentioned in telugu page[edit]



పడవ (paDava)

  1. boat

Category:Telugu nouns Category:te:Transport

mg:పడవ ta:పడవ

Wiktionary suggestions[edit]

  1. Pop up translation from Wiktionary when mouse over word would translate it to English or other languages.English Wiktionary has millions of words (most are inflections) and you can use free OpenSource Kiwix for offline Wikipedia and Wiktionary (but Wiktionary is downloaded separately try using Google) and that offline Wiktionary could be programmed with pop up window to display articles (you can also find pop up code on Google like C++).
  2. Make all words in articles lead to new page related to the word, this can be done with programming when click on any word from article would lead to new articles but text would remain the same and standard wiki link to new article would override it or usual words or phrases.
  3. In each edit in history make report vandalism or spam with short explanation.
  4. Auto-sign when user begins with : but if edits inside between : an signature wouldn't sign it.
  5. Wikibot that would automatically translate via Google Translate articles from English Wikipedia and save them to other Wikipedia's that could save more time in writing articles but only for new articles links and files would be copied by Wikibot and then replaced after translation.
  6. Shortcuts for edit summary for example m minor edit.
  7. When signature is changed automatically change all signature of user (I have seen that in RPG Maker games you can type name of player and that name is displayed in whole game).
  8. TTS Text to Speech like Ekho I have read that it is possible to record ones own voice only vowels and consonants it is about one MB large and can read any text.And other languages as well.
  9. Also pop up translation for words from Wiktionary and how much times articles were visited.
  10. Input methods embedded in Wiki editor like Chinese.
  11. Also when make next word in new row in Wikipedia is displayed in same row this can be a problem for writhing many words one below other.
  12. Perhaps some translator like Google Translate which is online or for Android there are not much free quality translators today except Google Translate.
  13. When users edit is reverted or changed by different user would notify the user in special notifications, this would help if user has hundreds or thousands of edits so that he doesn't need to search all pages.Watch page is only for some pages it would be useful to have most although user can ignore it if he wants.
  14. Wiki template that would make active count users edits and articles. Xand2 金日光旦照 (talk) 08:36, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Display image from link to other website (not Wikipedia). Xand2 金日光旦照 (talk) 09:21, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Head football coach at LSU in 1909 information[edit]

Your information for the head coach at LSU in 1909 was incorrect. Joseph G. Prichard, head coach at LSU, was a graduate of Vanderbuilt and attended LSU for further study. He was a great football player at Vanderbuilt; therefore, selected to be the head coach at LSU until a head coach was interview for the job for the longterm. Look at the LSU program for football and see who is the head coach (s) and the schedule for that year 1909 - 1910.

This is Wiktionary (a dictionary), not Wikipedia(an encyclopedia). If any of our entries contains any information about who was head coach at LSU, let us know so we can delete it- that's not dictionary material. Otherwise, please go to the web site that actually has that information and discuss it there. Chuck Entz (talk) 16:56, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Do people use Word of the Day?[edit]

Do the people who use this website actually get use out of the Word of the Day feature? I myself find it utile for labouring over at Wikcionario, but I suspect that average Anglos don’t much care for it. I’ve always had the impression that Anglophones despise pedantic speech and would rather use common (and short) words in all of their communication. I’m not suggesting that we delete this feature, I just wonder if it has any significant effects on the physical world. --Romanophile (talk) 08:33, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Well, I like it. And I don't think it's pedantic; it's just a way to introduce words that are unusual for one reason or another. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 14:33, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
But most people don’t like unusual words, especially because it may obligate them to look up the definition. People prefer common terms. For example, I was talking with my friend on‐line a few hours ago, and I said the word ‘Anglophone.’ He asked what it meant, so I explained it to him. Then he enquired ‘Why couldn’t you just say English‐speaking person?’ Now ideally, people would use these terms more if they encountered them more frequently, but this presents a contradiction: In order to become common, it must be used more, but it won’t be used more because it’s so uncommon. --Romanophile (talk) 08:16, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
We're a dictionary; we want to encourage people to look up definitions! —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 13:25, 14 December 2014 (UTC)


There is something in the English language, that is be considered childish and slang but is still not uncommonly used, to say one word twice, but to replace a part of the word with the "shm" sound. Such as, for example, "I don't care what the percentage of winning is. I will still cheer him on." "Yeah, percentage, pershmentage. You can do it, Gingka!" Another example is. "Jack, you know the rules!" "Rules shmules, I can do what I want." Is there any way we can put this into an entry/appendix? Could this possibly be considered a prefix/affix? I want to know more about what this sort of thing is in languages. Rædi Stædi Yæti {-skriv til mig-} 04:22, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

See schm- and w:shm-reduplication. It's from Yiddish. Chuck Entz (talk) 05:15, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Couldn't this be an affix or something too though? Such as in, "percentage, pershmentage"? Rædi Stædi Yæti {-skriv til mig-} 05:18, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
The term you're looking for is infix. Affix is the general, position-independent term for prefixes, postfixes, infixes and circumfixes. Yes, for some people it's an infix, but not for everybody. Chuck Entz (talk) 06:52, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Pronunciation depending on context[edit]

In some languages, especially French, can't the pronunciation of a word change depending on the context? For instance, in front of a vowel, it sounds different than in front of a consonant? If so, is it/why isn't it included in the pronunciation part of entries where this can happen? Rædi Stædi Yæti {-skriv til mig-} 05:20, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

w:Liaison (French) is governed by phonological rules that are part of the the language as a whole and the liaison form is quite simple and predictable from the spelling, so it tends not to be shown in dictionary pronunciation sections. The idea is that you learn the patterns as part of learning the language, so either you know them for every word that has them, or you don't know them st all. Whether an initial h interferes with liaison is unpredictable (if it does, it's called an "aspirated" h), so dictionaries show that. I notice that we show phonological variants for several Celtic languages, but those are reflected in the spelling, and they're far more complex and extensive. In Sanskrit we don't show the final consonant at all for most lemmas, and in the inflection tables we show the -h isolated forms, but not the -s form that precedes a vowel in the next word. In general, the interactions (called w:Sandhi) are so complicated and pervasive that you really need to refer to the sandhi section of a grammar to even find words in a dictionary, let alone read a simple text. Chuck Entz (talk) 06:47, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Pronunciation can also depend upon context in English - the most obvious example is the, whose pronunciation depends on the following letter being a consonant or vowel. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:55, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Most languages have rules of external sandhi to some extent. I would be in favor of us adding liaison forms to our French pronunciation sections, at least in cases where the pronunciation may not be what the spelling leads us to expect (e.g. un grand homme is [œ̃ ɡʁãtɔm], isn't it?). —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 17:07, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Question as to 'torpedieren' entry[edit]

I was looking at the English entry for the German verb torpedieren and I noticed the past participle was 'torpediert'. If my German teacher is right all regular German weak verbs have ge- prefixed to the 3rd person singular present active indicative to form the past participle.

Not all. Only verbs stressed on the first syllable take the ge- prefix. Verbs starting with an unstressed prefix like be-, ver-, etc., as well as verbs ending in -ieren, do not take the ge- prefix. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 17:59, 17 December 2014 (UTC)