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Appendix:Spanish pronunciation

Please take a look: "[[w:Template:IPAsym - Error: Entry "ð̞" not found|ð]]". 46.242.8.188 20:15, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

I've fixed it now. However, I urge other editors to again consider my suggestion here. Fytcha (talk) 20:44, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Bot needed? (review template wikipedia links)

Where would I take a suggestion for a needed bot?

I looked at entry disuse which has had a {{wikipedia}} link in it since the entry was created in *2006*. There is certainly no such article at Wikipedia now. And I doubt it was deleted yesterday because I can't find any such tracks.

Experimenting, I checked a few searches with "insource:/[{][{]wikipedia[}][}]/" and relatively quickly found another mis-linked example, Malukus. There isn't such an article at Wikipedia, though there is a disamb page w:maluku, and w:Maluku Islands, w:Maluku (province), and a few others.

I'm thinking a bot that reviews entries here and notes all the {{wikipedia}} mis-links somewhere would be a nice little project, and then that generated list could drive a cleanup effort. Simply deleting the mis-links would be inappropriate given the example above Malukus, but then that example also points out that entries here can be less than precise (see that definition) and need repair.

So where should I copy this request to? Shenme (talk) 00:21, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

@Shenme: If you need help making the bot, you can ask at Wiktionary:Grease pit. If you think you can make it yourself and want to ask for permission, go to Wiktionary:Bots. Great idea. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:26, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, I will plop this over there. I've only done that kind of coding once, when I had to cross-check a few 100s pages of my own editing at en.wikisource. And I'm currently engrossed at el.wikisource proof-reading a language I don't know. :-) Thank you again for the direction. Shenme (talk) 00:36, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

I could do something like this, though I wonder whether this can not also be solved using an abuse filter or within the templates themselves. Fytcha (talk) 00:30, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Generating a list of entries with templated links to missing Wikipedia articles? For existing entries? Shenme (talk) 00:36, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

No, there's no way to use abuse filters for this. DTLHS (talk) 00:38, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Every English Word

Hi,

I'm trying to create a simple program however it requires a list of words to reference. I can't find any resource online that has more than a couple of thousand words. It would be perfect if I could somehow access a list of every English word stored in this database.

Thanks! — This unsigned comment was added by 72.89.74.2 (talk) at 03:47, 13 January 2022.

Hello. There's bi-monthly database dumps: https://dumps.wikimedia.org/enwiktionary/latest/ — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 02:53, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

You might find this link helpful http://www.gwicks.net/dictionaries.htm nothing to do with wiktionary though. General Vicinity (talk) 02:56, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Economic's

What is liebility

Probably a misspelling of liability. 70.172.194.25 19:05, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

List of requested words?

Is there a list of requested words? NW1223(Howl at me|My hunts) 18:57, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

That would be Wiktionary:Requested entries, which is for user-requested words sorted by language. For English specifically, see Wiktionary:Requested entries (English). There is also User:Brian0918/Hotlist which lists words appearing in other dictionaries that we lack. 70.172.194.25 19:00, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

I find Jberkel's autogenerated lists to be very nifty for finding high-quality redlinks. brittletheories (talk) 22:02, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

How to create new categories with topic cat

Hello, I created two new categories using {{topic cat}}: Category:en:Mymensingh Division and Category:bn:Mymensingh Division. However, there goes an error notice saying: “The automatically-generated contents of this category has errors.” Can anybody help me how to fix this error. Please ping me while replying. Regards Meghmollar2017 (talk) 17:19, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

@Meghmollar2017: These categories are all generated via Module:category tree. How to add things to the category tree can be visually confusing at first but I think it's actually pretty easy to reverse engineer how to add an entry. Do you think you can find an appropriate place to add states of Bangladesh based on this list of lists? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:50, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@Koavf, I am not sure I can make this, at least, now. However, if if anybody shows me or I can find the files for categories like Category:bn:Dhaka Division or Category:en:Dhaka Division, I may try by myself. -- Meghmollar2017 (talk) 09:04, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@Meghmollar2017: Do you think you will make categories for all these divisions of Bangladesh? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:08, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@Koavf, We have already. Only Mymensingh had been missing before I created it last night. -- Meghmollar2017 (talk) 09:25, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@Meghmollar2017: It works now. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:25, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

vowel of man vs ant, etc

The pronunciation key for the old Century Dictionary says: "a as in fat, man, pang. [...] ȧ as in ask, fast, ant." Ridpath has much the same key. What distinction is being made here? (The key also says "ė as in her, fern, heard. [...] ä̤ as in Persia, peninsula. ë̤ as in the book. ṳ̈ as in nature, feature", where ä̤ and ë̤ seem to be the same sound, so perhaps those two are rendered differently to let the pronunciation respelling's "base letters" stay closer to the original spelling's... but that doesn't explain why they'd introduce "ȧ" beside "a".) w:Pronunciation respelling for English says Century uses "several different symbols for the same sound (partly to allow for different phonemic mergers and splits)", but what split affects all of "fat, man, pang" one way and all of "ask, fast, ant" a different way? (It doesn't seem to map to how /æ/ tensing operates, for example, unless I'm missing something.) - -sche (discuss) 22:08, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

I think the pronunciation is supposed to be the UK’s "Received Pronunciation", so ask is /ˈɑːsk/, not the USian /ˈæsk/.  --Lambiam 00:19, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

I doubt though if anyone really says /ˈmɑn/ or /ˈɑːnt/, the latter sounds more like aunt. ॥ ☼ সূর্যমান ☽ ॥ 10:53, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

For me "ask" and "fast" have /ɑː/ but "ant" has /æ/ (and would otherwise be "aunt", as stated above). Equinox ◑ 21:04, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

We do list the RP pronunciation /ˈɑːnt/ for ant, marked as obsolete. It may have been the best-received pronunciation in 1889.  --Lambiam 16:21, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Searching RfV discussions

How can I find the RfV for green mile as it says that there was one?!

If I search "green mile" verification in WT namespace it finds nothing, without quote marks it finds some rfv-archives that probably don't matter [1]. Was there no discussion?

Actually, I want to know the etymology if the phrase existed before Steven King on the off chance it related to Beowulfs Grendel, in a sense of Dead or so, as for grim reaper (once alleged in the etymology scriptorium). 2A00:20:608C:6229:FE35:CD62:7D4A:C358 08:59, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Old RFV discussions are archived to their respective entry's talk page. So it's on Talk:green mile. 70.172.194.25 09:12, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

FinTech magazine: 140+ Blockchain and Crypto Words: The Ultimate A-Z Glossary

This page https://fintechmagazine.com/financial-services-finserv/140-blockchain-and-crypto-words-ultimate-z-glossary "140+ Blockchain and Crypto Words: The Ultimate A-Z Glossary" contains a number of potentially useful definitions. Someone with more expertise in financial technology terminology than I have might want to add some of these definitions. Eastmain (talk) 14:44, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, looks like we already cover a lot of the cryptobabble listed there. Some is just generic finance/internet slang. – Jberkel 17:46, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

FWOTD protection

I noticed there was no FWOTD posted today, so I tried to add one, but I was blocked by an abuse filter. What clearance does one need to add a WOTD? Auto-patroller? brittletheories (talk) 11:05, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, at least autopatroller rights are required. I cannot tell you why there was no FWOTD today; in fact, most slots for February are vacant too. I've scheduled your blocked FWOTD addition now: Wiktionary:Foreign_Word_of_the_Day/2022/February_3 — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 15:20, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

FWOTDs are seldom set an entire month in advance, so there's no surprise there. I did for a while, but this has never been the usual process. Randomly filling in the next month is not helpful. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 19:45, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

I could add some more for the coming weeks from WT:FWOTDN if I had the rights. How much experience does one need to get whitelisted? brittletheories (talk) 15:44, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Pinging @Fytcha because I forgot. brittletheories (talk) 17:52, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@brittletheories: See User_talk:Fytcha#Setting_FWOTDs_without_prior_communication; if you want to set FWODTs, you should best talk with Lingo Bingo Dingo. As to your question regarding whitelisting, it is up to admins' discretion with no hard and fast rule in place. I can't nominate you because I'm not familiar with your work. You should probably best ask a friendly admin in the language that you're primarily editing. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 05:54, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

FWOTDs are always set by a user who sets them regularly unless somebody else has been requested to do so by that person. It is never done randomly and without communication. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 19:45, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Though sometimes that person doesn't set them at all, which is what prompted this question. brittletheories (talk) 18:38, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello

Can someone put some kind of introductory message in my talkpage describing how to create new pages?2006nishan178713 (talk) 16:40, 30 January 2022 (UTC)