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I don't know whether you watchlist the page, so am pointing out that you might be interested in [[Wiktionary talk:Requests for flood flag#procedure]].​—msh210 (talk) 00:11, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

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Wiktionary:Todo/proto problems114:49, 20 December 2013
OCS alternative forms and spellings1318:30, 31 August 2013
MediaWiki:Gadget-CommentsInLocalTime.js -- via importScript( 'User:Bequw/comments in local time.js' ) -- is not working as intended015:54, 27 August 2013
Quasilinking when not linking119:06, 11 May 2013
Proto problems102:38, 6 May 2013
User:Conrad.Irwin/creation.js223:02, 8 March 2013
User:Bequwbot105:23, 13 January 2013
leitura216:45, 17 November 2012
Template:VectorTab204:41, 13 July 2012
TODO - pronunciation222:12, 30 June 2012
Template:zh topic cat parents215:39, 27 June 2012
Language code templates have been moved to different categories207:47, 22 June 2012
Cleanup pages for pages that use 'term' without a language313:52, 16 June 2012
Seven articles005:44, 16 June 2012
WT:RFDO#Template:cc-by-sa-3.0118:53, 20 May 2012
2009-08 traffic stats.png202:29, 28 April 2012
Wiktionary:Information_desk#Category_of_all_forms114:46, 26 March 2012
Problem with Gadget-WiktSidebarTranslation.js on fr.wiktionnary203:11, 17 February 2012
WT:TODO114:51, 25 November 2011
was-WOTD101:22, 8 September 2011
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I have deleted this as {{proto}} has been deleted.

Mglovesfun (talk)12:42, 16 December 2013

OK. Thanks.

Bequw τ14:49, 20 December 2013
 

OCS alternative forms and spellings

[1] - please stop doing this for OCS. There is a reason why these two are separate.

Ivan Štambuk14:10, 15 July 2010

Sure. What's the reason?

Bequw τ14:12, 15 July 2010

I agree with BQ here, if they're synonyms they go in the synonyms sections, but entries shouldn't use both alternative forms and spellings. The second is just a more specific case of the first.

Mglovesfun (talk)14:25, 15 July 2010
 

Alternative spellings is for the spellings in the alternative script (Glagolitic/Cyrillic), and alternative forms if for variant forms of the same word. OCS corpus is stratified geographically and diachronically, so some words have variant forms reflecting different sound changes in different dialects or epochs.

Ivan Štambuk14:29, 15 July 2010
 

I too agree with BQ - there is no reason why any entry needs both "alternative forms" and "alternative spellings".

Both Japanese and Serbian, which also use multiple scripts, put the form of the word in the other scripts on the inflection line. Is there a reason this is not done for OCS? Thryduulf (talk) 14:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Thryduulf (talk)14:34, 15 July 2010

Spelling in another script is not an "alternative form" of a word - it's the same word in another script. spelling is also not a more specific case of form: spelling implies alternative script or orthography (which could all be "proper" and in simultaneous use), while form encompasses various kinds of etymologically related variants of the same word. In languages with phonological orthography, where differences in pronunciation are reflected in writing, which is the case with OCS but not e.g. English, the difference is much more obvious. dzvězda and zvězda cannot be treated as synonymous; they're as "synonymous" as e.g. English color and colour. Yes the scrips could be handled in the inflection line, and that's probably the best solution, but that will not work in case where there is more than 2 scripts used for a language. For now, merging these two sections, in case of OCS at least, doesn't make sense to me.

Ivan Štambuk15:00, 15 July 2010

I think you're just taking a narrow view of the term "form" whereas others (including myself) are taking a broader view. I want a single general header as people's distinctions between "forms" and "spellings" are often vague and contradictory (as seen here). The key information is still represented under a unified header (the script qualifier accomplishes this). Putting the different scripts for a word on the inflection line is a problem for both layout (when multiple PoS exist) and clarity (a non-inflection being on the inflection line).

Bequw τ17:36, 15 July 2010

What exactly is vague and contradictory in my distinction of spellings/forms? I don't see how having different headers is an issue at all. In case of OCS at least, the distinction makes a lot of sense. Yes in case of multiple PoS these would all have to be repeated, but most editors editing in multiscriptal languages apparently prefer it that way (and so do I). Just because it's called inflection line by convention doesn't mean that it has to contain only inflections.

Ivan Štambuk20:25, 15 July 2010
 

"Yes the scrips could be handled in the inflection line, and that's probably the best solution, but that will not work in case where there is more than 2 scripts used for a language."

Japanese manages to show three scripts on the inflection line without any issue. Are there any languages that use more than three scripts? Thryduulf (talk) 21:21, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Thryduulf (talk)21:21, 15 July 2010

Saurashtra? Though we currently have no words in that language.

Prince Kassad21:27, 15 July 2010
 

Sanskrit is written in almost all Indic scripts, although we currently only use Devanagari. Perhaps it works for Japanese, but I don't think that handling 2+ additional scripts would work in the inflection line in alphabetic languages with rich inflection some of which would have to be listed in the inflection line too. The whole line would be too long. Serbo-Croatian has historically been written in 2 other scripts beside Cyrillic and Latin: Glagolitic and alphabetic form of Arabic script. There is no way that these 4 would all fit in the inflection line beside the usual information listed. There is the preliminary template {{sh-variant}} to handle this, based on the successful usage of {{fa-regional}} for Persian variant forms, but it's not used yet. Template-based table approach seems to me superior than either of those two alternatives.

Ivan Štambuk08:07, 16 July 2010
 
 
 
 
 

MediaWiki:Gadget-CommentsInLocalTime.js -- via importScript( 'User:Bequw/comments in local time.js' ) -- is not working as intended. I've left the short details on MediaWiki talk:Gadget-CommentsInLocalTime.js. w:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-CommentsInLocalTime.js is working correctly -- via importScript( 'User:Gary King/comments in local time.js' ) -- Thanks for your attention to this matter (and I'm always on IRC if you need to ask me something quickly wikitech:User:Technical_13 is a list of most of my IRC nicks...

Technical 13 (talk)15:54, 27 August 2013

Quasilinking when not linking

Hi! Would it be possible to maintain a list in Wiktionary:Todo/proto problems, of entries that create a quasi-link without actually linking to anything? In particular entries like dorst (in the Dutch etymology) or afraid (Frankish word), which have a word in the second parameter of {{term}} (and the first is empty, so no link) but with a * in front. Such cases should be replaced by {{recons}} so it would be good to have a list of them. I don't know if you could also make this work when someone writes *''thurst'' without using {{term}} at all (it might give a lot of false positives) but it would also be useful. Thanks in advance!

CodeCat22:14, 6 October 2012

I think I missed this from before. If you still want these you can run the follow regular expressions through wiktionary (e.g. using Autowikibrowser).

  • \*[^'\n\r]+
  • \*\{\{term\|\|[^\}]+\}\} (this latter one will miss cases where the first parameter is a named parameter like lang=...)

Hope that helps.

Bequw τ19:06, 11 May 2013
 

Proto problems

The template {{proto}} is deprecated and shouldn't be used, so the message your bot generates should probably be changed as well.

Also, I wonder about "quasilinking". I have noticed quite a lot of cases where reconstructed terms use *{{term||word}} or some variety of that, with the asterisk right before the template. Your bot doesn't seem to catch those, but I'm not sure why. Could it be that the bot only looks at the first parameter, and skips when it is empty? It would be very helpful if it caught cases like the above as well, because in many cases something like *{{term||word}} should really use {{recons||word|lang=xx}} or even {{recons|word|lang=xx}} with a link.

CodeCat16:26, 4 May 2013

Thanks. I'll remove the {{proto}} messages. For the quasilinking, here's the regexp that I'm using ^[:#\*]*[^:#\*].+\* ?(?:'*\[\[|\{\{term\|(?=[^\|]))([^\|\}\]]+), hopefully that will help you find the anomaly. Let me know if you have a suggestion.

Bequw τ02:38, 6 May 2013
 

I am trying (and failing) to add support for {{lg-noun}} and {{lg-proper noun}}. I made these changes in an attempt to add it, but Yair rand reverted me, probably because I did soemthing horribly wrong. Can you please explain to me how to go about this correctly? Thank you so much in advance!

--Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds15:00, 2 September 2012
[url=http://inspiracje.ru/]http://inspiracje.ru/[/url]16:56, 2 September 2012

My mistake. I didn't want to bother you again (it seems like I've already done so way too much!) but I failed to notice your response. Thank you!

--Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds23:11, 2 September 2012
 
 

How come your bot doesn't have the bot flag?

Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds06:58, 23 December 2012

Regularly it only generates a few reports. When I use it to edit entries, the type of cleanup usually varies, so I have used the flood flag rather than bot flag.

Bequw τ05:23, 13 January 2013
 

Er, just so you know, {{infl}} is called {{head}} now, and in any case when language-specific headline templates like {{pt-noun}} exist, it's much better to use them (for example, it generates the plural in this case). Thanks!

Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds16:39, 17 November 2012

Yes thanks, I do that when I'm not familiar with the language templates.

Bequw τ16:41, 17 November 2012

Well, if you can't find the requisite documentation or whatever in the future, I think Category:Portuguese terms needing attention gets cleaned out semi-regularly, so you could always use {{attention}}.

Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds16:45, 17 November 2012
 
 

Have you abandoned this template? Is it worth preserving? DCDuring TALK 17:33, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

DCDuring TALK17:33, 11 July 2012

Well it doesn't have to be updated much. It's more useful than {{MonobookTab}} now that the default is Vector. It probably should be used on some help pages.

Bequw τ03:23, 13 July 2012

Ok. I've been trying to get as many templates as possible properly categorized, partially to make them more findable by purpose or other characteristics, partially to eliminate deadwood from the categories, and partially to make the list of uncategorized templates a more useful cleanup list than it had been with about 8-9,000 potential members, but actual membership limited to 5,000. The categories and documentation should be on separate documentation pages transcluded by <noinclude>{{temp|documentation}}</noinclude> (or equivalent) to apply to the template itself. This is intended to make it easier to edit documentation without adding the transclusion-processing queue. Many of the uncategorized templates pages are template subpages of the form "langcode/script", some of which are very widely transcluded. I'm not at all sure that others share my belief that this is worth doing, but it seems important to a healthy project.

DCDuring TALK04:41, 13 July 2012
 
 

TODO - pronunciation

Is it possible to make a WT:TODO list of entries with non-standard "pronunciation" transcription schemes, like this one, i.e. pronunciation sections that contain * and/or " outside of {{X-SAMPA}}/{{SAMPA}}/{{enPR}}? Don't bother if it's too much work, it's just a thought...

- -sche (discuss)06:02, 30 June 2012

I enjoy the regexp practice. I've made WT:Todo/non-standard pronunciation transcriptions where I've listed the pattern for people who would like to rerun it. Let me know if it needs tweaking.

Bequw τ13:21, 30 June 2012

Cool, thanks! That list includes entries with "s inside <ref> tags, which is not the same issue per se, but I'm glad we didn't think to exclude them: most of them happen to have other problems that need addressing. (Mostly they're archaic spellings that should use {{alternative form of}} but instead duplicate the content of the lemmata.)

- -sche (discuss)22:12, 30 June 2012
 
 

Is this needed? No topical categories use zh: anymore, they all use cmn.

Mglovesfun (talk)20:50, 26 June 2012

I've no clue. Sorry.

Bequw τ06:08, 27 June 2012

You created it, just in case you weren't aware of that. I don't know what it does to be honest.

Mglovesfun (talk)15:39, 27 June 2012
 
 

Language code templates have been moved to different categories

Your bot removed a lot of names from Wiktionary:Etymology/language templates and I realised this is because a lot of the code templates were recategorised recently. All code templates are now in Category:Code templates, and they are further subdivided. I'm letting you know in case your bot needs to be updated.

CodeCat13:10, 7 June 2012

There are some more issues on Wiktionary:Todo/etyl problems with entries being marked with 'nonexistent etymology code'. I assume it has the same cause?

CodeCat16:29, 21 June 2012

Thanks. I've made some changes. Hopefully it will be more accurate next time.

Bequw τ07:47, 22 June 2012
 
 

Cleanup pages for pages that use 'term' without a language

Hi! Do you think you could add something to your bot so that entries that use {{term}} without specifying a language are added to a cleanup list? {{term}} doesn't actually default to English like many people might expect, but instead it defaults to 'no language'. It's not strictly an error, but from a usability point of view it's less than optimal, and it would be better I think if most of those cases could be fixed.

I already tried to make a list using categories a few days ago, but there ended up being so many (well over a hundred thousand!) so it seemed hopeless. But I think maybe your bot would be better suited because it can subdivide the entries and make them more manageable. Of course, we can't actually say what language {{term|water}} is supposed to link to... so I think for now the best way to subdivide the entries would be based on what language section the template appears in. So, if a German section contains {{term|water}}, add it to the subpage for German entries. (Wiktionary:Todo/Temp without language/German?) It would probably be a good idea to make further subpages by letter as well, so if Wasser contains {{term|water}} it would be listed on Wiktionary:Todo/Temp without language/German/w.

What do you think of this idea? Is it doable?

CodeCat12:57, 7 June 2012

It's pretty simple to construct using regular expressions. I used =German==([^-]|-[^-])+\{\{term(\|(?!lang=)[^\|\}]+)+\}\} to construct one for German just using AutoWikiBrowser. (Did you want "term" in the title instead of "temp" or were you planning on expanding this to other templates that should have language parameters). It's probably better for someone to just run this regexp for languages for which there's cleanup interest (non-English would be the most bite-sized). Once the backlog has been whittled down then it can be easily be turned into a periodic, maintenance cleanup-list.

Bequw τ12:48, 16 June 2012

Oh yes that was a mistake, sorry. I meant 'term'. I can't use AWB because it's only for Windows, but I could probably do the same with Python. I don't really know how the XML dumps work though, could you explain it a bit maybe?

CodeCat13:39, 16 June 2012

mw:Manual:Pywikipediabot has a module xmlreader that you can use to parse the xml dump into pages. Other tools are mentioned at m:Data dumps.

Bequw τ13:52, 16 June 2012
 
 
 

Seven articles

Could you delete the seven marked articles that I just marked for deletion please? Thanks!

Razorflame05:44, 16 June 2012

FYI.

RuakhTALK17:21, 20 May 2012

Thanks. I really only added it because -sche wanted me to license an image I had here. But then he moved it to Commons anyways (which I didn't intent but don't care to try to move back). If it's needed, it can get recreated.

Bequw τ18:53, 20 May 2012
 

2009-08 traffic stats.png

User:Koavf has been tagging files to be deleted or moved to commons, and I've been deleting the no-longer-needed ones I uploaded and moving the useful ones others uploaded. I was going to move this one, but you didn't formally licence it. Could you stick a Creative Commons licence on it, or re-upload it to Commons yourself? Or if you'd rather delete it, or leave here licenceless, I actually don't mind.

- -sche (discuss)19:25, 26 April 2012

I've licensed it (BY-SA).

Bequw τ00:02, 28 April 2012

Thanks! :) I've migrated it to Commons.

- -sche (discuss)02:29, 28 April 2012
 
 

You've deleted Category:Verb forms, Please express your opinion. Infovarius (talk) 03:54, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Infovarius (talk)03:54, 25 March 2012

In 2009, yes I did. I think you want to talk to Mglovesfun as he's the one that recently did it (23 March 2012). It appears he thought Category:Verb forms by language was more appropriate.

Bequw τ14:46, 26 March 2012
 

Problem with Gadget-WiktSidebarTranslation.js on fr.wiktionnary

Hi! You are the creator of this template : Gadget-WiktSidebarTranslation.js so I'm coming to whine here ;-) . Our french pro-tech user report a problem here ==> MediaWiki talk:Gadget-WiktSidebarTranslation.js. I use this gadget on fr.wiktionnary and yes some languages are shown as undefined until their french translations but we don't have any idea about the why. I test the gadget on english version but everything seems ok here. Do you able to fix this bug ? V!v£ l@ Rosière /Murmur…/ 04:46, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

V!v£ l@ Rosière /Murmur…/04:46, 16 February 2012

Hi. In fr:MediaWiki:Langcode2name.js, the third entry in each language row of the big list needs to be equal the wiki's native name for that language. For instance, putting {{#language:ang}} on the Sandbox yields "Ænglisc", so that's what should be in the third entry of the [ang]. Hope that helps.

Bequw τ18:17, 16 February 2012

Acknowledged! (I don't know why but I love this word!)

I'm not admin so I can't edit the page. But I'll report now to our expert. I'm quite sure it's the solution to our problem. I'll keep you tune. Thanks for your attention.

V!v£ l@ Rosière /Murmur…/03:11, 17 February 2012
 
 

I've made the capitalization of the subpages consistent. Please update Bequwbot's code so it doesn't put the new dumps over the redirects. Thank you.

Mglovesfun (talk)11:18, 25 November 2011

Should be fine next time. Thanks.

Bequw τ14:51, 25 November 2011
 

Your move has rendered the text invisible. It does not show up at all in my browser in its new placement. Please correct this problem. --EncycloPetey 18:05, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

EncycloPetey18:05, 5 September 2011

I've responded in the BP.

Bequw τ01:22, 8 September 2011
 
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