User talk:Sativen Kuni

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Welcome[edit]

Welcome to Wiktionary. I recommend WT:ATTEST for reading, a part of WT:CFI.

Key excerpts:

  • A term should be included if it is attested and idiomatic.
  • A terms is attested above all if it is in use in permanently recorded media, conveying meaning, in at least three independent instances spanning at least a year.
  • A term is idiomatic if its full meaning cannot be easily derived from the meaning of its separate components.

Happy contributing. --Dan Polansky (talk) 15:45, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Babel[edit]

Could you add {{Babel}} to your user page? I'd appreciate it. --Dan Polansky (talk) 15:45, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

FWOTD[edit]

What sort of words should be featured:

  • words with interesting meanings, especially if not found in English (1, 2, 3)
  • words with different meanings, when it’s interesting that they use the same word for the different meanings (1, 2, 3)
  • false friends, especially if somehow funny (1, 2, 3)
  • for small and ancient languages, any word will do (I see these as a sort of “advertisement” of the fact that we have content in minority and dead languages) (1, 2, 3)
  • words about some aspect of the culture of the language’s speakers (1, 2, 3)
  • words with interesting spellings (i.e. lots of consonants or vowels together) (1, 2)
  • idioms with interesting literal meanings (1, 2)

What not to feature:

  • words whose primary meaning is vulgar or offensive shouldn’t be featured at all
  • if the vulgar/offensive meaning is secondary, it should not be featured alongside the other ones
  • words that look similar to a vulgar or offensive English word, even if the foreign meaning isn’t
  • definitions being WT:RFDed or WT:RFVed.
  • words without a citation or (for languages not listed here) a reference from a trustworthy linguistic resource.
  • words without a pronunciation. An exception is made for languages so barely attested that reconstructing a pronunciation is nearly impossible, like Lusitanian, Noric and Norn.
  • words from reconstructed and constructed languages. Unfortunately there is no consensus that they should be allowed (damn!)
  • more than two words from the same language in a month. There have been cases of three words being featured accidentally.
  • try to avoid featuring terms from the same language to closely.

The process:

  • copy the contents of this page and paste them on your raw watchlist
  • find a nomination at WT:FW that is valid. Check the entry to make sure it is valid (don’t trust the checkmark).
  • make sure the word hasn’t been featured before (I always leave moving the selected nominations to Wiktionary:Foreign Word of the Day/Nominations#Selected_words for later, because I’m lazy)
  • go to the archive’s month page (current: Wiktionary:Foreign_Word_of_the_Day/2013/July) and click a [create] link
  • add the parameters (read {{FWOTD}})
  • the pos= parameter should also include the gender (if any), linking to the Wikipedia page about genders in the language, followed by a comma and the part of speech, unabbreviated.
  • if the word’s script is one of those that often cause boxes to appear, create a PNG of the word and upload it to commons: (i.e. 1)
  • always, always, always make sure the page is displaying correctly after saving!
  • add {{was fwotd}} (with the parameters) to the entry

Miscellanea:

  • every now and then, a set of seven words from WT:Foreign Word of the Day/Focus weeks can be featured
  • the other person responsible for the project is User:Metaknowledge (say hi)
  • how to deal with multi-script languages: 1
  • how to deal with Egyptian: 1
  • archive
  • always nominate a word and leave it for a couple of days before featuring, to give other users a chance to check if there’s anything wrong
  • a warning: it’s extremely unlikely that someone will cite and pronounce a nomination for you. If you want a word to be featured, you should do that yourself, or ask someone directly.

This is it, I think. Feel free to ask me anything (about FWOTD or editing here in general) .

Since you are new here, I guess I should break it you (unless you are Wonderfool, in which case not only you already know, but are partly to blame!): the community here is rather violent and unwelcoming, expect confrontation and abuse.

Ungoliant (Falai) 03:34, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

moved from User talk:Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV:

Great pointers. Thank you. I am looking at our template structure and I understand now how you go about editing for example Wiktionary:Foreign Word of the Day/2013/July 14 to find a tag like {{FWOTD|mi|Wīwī|||{{l/en|France}}|pos=proper noun}}, which

corresponds to the properties of {{FWOTD|LANGCODE|TERM|ALT|TRANSLIT|DEF1|pos=POS}} and then is displayed on the front pages's FWOTD block in proper formatting. I apparently don't have edit access yet, but for tomorrow's chosen term I would say its necessary to add more information:

  • That its from the French language itself "oui, oui" (“yes, yes”).
  • That in addition to being a proper noun for the country of France, its also a noun for Frenchman or the French and an adjective for anything French or of French origin.
  • IPA: /ˈwiː.wiː/ (I guess we don't do IPA for FWOTD?)

Hence something like:

  • {{FWOTD|mi|Wīwī|From "oui, oui" (fr:"yes, yes")|The French expression "oui, oui," being symbolic of their speech and manner, was adopted by the Maori for representing all things French.|{{l/en|France, of French origin}}|pos=proper noun}}.
(If we are going to talk about foreign words it should suffice to say a little something about them.)

- Regards, -Sativen Kuni (talk) 05:1 1, 13 July 2013 (UTC) PS: IS there any way yet to search the archives for previous words, or is there a single page listing all previous entries? -SK

I moved your message here, if you don’t mind. We don’t split discussions between the discussers’ talk pages; it’s the Wiktionary way.
  • Concerning adding IPA and etymology: when Metaknowledge and I were coming up with FWOTD we decided not to include that in the template, because there is only so much information we can add to it before it becomes clutter (a serious problem, as we’re talking of something which will appear in the main page.) An exception has been made for the terms derive from German focus week (January 10 to 16,) since the point of the focus week was the etymology anyway. However, if you think we should change this practice, please start a discussion here explaining why you think it should be changed. In any case, anyone who wants to know more can click the link and read the full entry.
  • Concerning the meanings “Frenchman” and “of France,” the template doesn’t allow multiple parts of speech, so that’s going to be a problem. Even if we changed the template, featuring multiple parts of speech would be rather cluttery.
  • Concerning the archives: follow the links at the bottom for the chronological list of featured words, and see this category for an alphabetical list.
  • Concerning inability to edit: probably because you haven’t been whitelisted yet. Just stick around and edit constructively and soon you will be.
Ungoliant (Falai) 05:40, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Headers[edit]

diff and diff - Level 3 (===) headers should generally be used for 'See also's. We keep the Level 2s for language names. Cheers. Hyarmendacil (talk) 05:16, 15 July 2013 (UTC)