Category talk:Netherlands English

RFD discussion: November 2018–June 2023

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Category:Netherlands English

Rather useless category with rather useless contents. Insofar English is natively spoken in the Netherlands, these varieties are going to align with any national variety of English with perhaps some interference from Dutch, Frisian or Low Saxon. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 07:51, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

See also Category talk:German English ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 12:53, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Keep. Why would there not be value in documenting what English subjected to interference from Dutch looks like, and categorising it as such? (Not that such interference would be the sole source of uniqueness; there do seem to at least be some acronyms that would not be understood outside of the Netherlands.) —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 21:44, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Keep Potentially useful per Metaknowledge. DCDuring (talk) 15:56, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Because we have no way of definitely establishing whether any such interference occurs among native speakers of English living in the Netherlands or (more likely) among foreign language speakers making typical mistakes. My guess is that a lot of the contents are (mis)spellings produced by non-native speakers, and would either fit in cat:Non-native_English or could be deleted as rare misspellings. This category is also unusual within cat:European_English, as the Netherlands don't have a large population of native speakers of English, speaking one coherent, dominant variety. And as far as I can tell there hasn't been any test at all whether these variants are exclusive to the Netherlands or whether they also occur in Flanders.

As for acronyms, I'm not convinced that it is useful to include Dutch acronyms used in English in this category, any more than it would be useful to categorise ACT as Australian Sotho or NYC as United States Norwegian Nynorsk. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 15:32, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Why does the fact that a group of speakers is non-native make their usage less valid? Would you delete Category:Indian English and Category:Nigerian English, which are also produced by non-native speakers from countries without a "large population of native speakers of English, speaking one coherent, dominant variety"? Your acronyms, by the way, are straw men AFAICT, but I welcome serious examples. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 18:38, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Non-native speakers' usage isn't per se less valid, but I fail to see why a dictionary should include it if their usage violates native speakers' sense of orthography, morphology or syntax. Not to mention that plenty of their compatriots would consider this use of diaereses a misspelling.

Whether they are technically native speakers or not, English is an official language in both countries that is widely used in national discourse and from a young age many inhabitants speak varieties of English that aren't derivative of other varieties of English. Also, what you quoted was a description of what "Netherlands English" isn't, it wasn't a definition of any variety of English that is desirable to categorise. (The stress on "one" and "coherent" is only for the sake of categorisation, if having just one category isn't justifiable there is no reason there could not be more.)

"NPR" in the meaning "National Public Radio" seems citable in Norwegian - I wouldn't object to the creation of that, but a label "United States Norwegian Bokmål" seems a bit much for this kind of thing. [1] [2] [3] [4] ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 12:53, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

• Delete as totally useless. So a few Dutch people didn't spell the words correctly because they are used to a Dutch keyboard, irrelevant. --Vealhurl (talk) 07:35, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
• Delete. They should be called misspellings and possibly be put in Category:Non-native_speakers'_English. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 04:59, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Delete —Svārtava ^{[t•c•u•r]} 05:04, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Keep because this is the wrong process for dealing with a category like this: why would we delete an {{lb}} category which isn't empty? It's populated in the same way as any other category is that uses that template. Just amend the terms if they need amending, and then the category will be deleted by an admin if it's empty. No need for this vote. Theknightwho (talk) 11:39, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

• Keep per Theknightwho. — excarnateSojourner (talk · contrib) 18:33, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

• RFD failed - I removed all the contents - mostly misspellings and crap (no, not nonstandard, as others suggested) containing ï, like doïng, other stuff was better places in topic categories PlusUmlaut (talk) 09:20, 20 June 2023 (UTC)